O/T David Morris popular again

[KenH]

I was certain Morris would be kicked out at the last election and was staggered when he was re-elected. It goes to show that no matter what you do or how bad you are, there will always be a huge following of people who will still vote for you if you wear the right colour tie.

Probably more a matter of not wanting Corbyn. Morecambe isn't a guaranteed Tory seat. Geraldine Smith (Labour) was voted in three times. Labour also made a mistake with their candidate selection (not a local). A decent local candidate and a realistic leader would enable Labour to easily win next time!

[Keith]

Labour also made a mistake with their candidate selection (not a local). A decent local candidate and a realistic leader would enable Labour to easily win next time!

Vikki Singleton grew up in the area, her parents live in Skerton, her children were all born in the RLI and she was a counsellor for Westgate, so not exactly an outsider. Were you thinking of the candidate before her, who was from Manchester and said she wouldn't be moving to the area even if elected? I agree that was a mistake but I think Vikki would have been a good local MP.

Pretty simple really, Morris was only elected because most folk didin't want Labour in and I'd of voted for the devil had he stood to avoid that happening

You pretty much did vote that way The Tories have systematically attacked people who have disabilities, driving many people to suicide. I knew a woman (first hand experience of trying to support her emotionally, not anecdotal). She was a power wheelchair user in Manchester. She is in chronic pain and needs support with dressing etc. She was called to a Tory initiated ATOS assessment in Manchester city centre. The journey in is tough enough, but when she got there, she found that the assessment office was on the first floor but the lift was out of order. She phoned from the lobby to tell them that she couldn't get upstairs due to the faulty lift. They said that they already knew it was out of order. Power wheelchairs aren't all that good at going up stairs!

Obviously, phoning her to tell her not to travel in would have been too humane for ATOS, so she travelled back home, somewhat upset.

But nowhere near as upset as she was about to become, when her disability benefit was stopped 'for failing to attend an ATOS assessment'. Now those of you who remember ATOS will recall they had a dreadful record for mis-assessing people as 'fit' and they lost something like 80% of appeals. The delightful Tories were concerned about this level of failure, so hit upon a way to reduce the number of appeals. If you appealed the decision ALL your benefits were stopped until after the appeals process was complete. Often, this would take more than six months. Thus, the vast majority of unfairly treated disabled people couldn't afford to appeal, so were forced in to accepting the false decision. This woman appealed. In doing so, her Housing benefit, Mobility, everything was stopped. Fortunately, she had a decent landlord who was appalled by this and allowed her to run up six months of debt (how many landlords would do that?) Her flat mate helped with food & bills as much as she could. Mum & dad were begged from. She maxed out her credit cards. And for six months her life was on hold. Not surprisingly, she became depressed & withdrawn. She had suicidal ideation. Eventually, she won her appeal and received six months benefits, backdated. Obviously, that didn't cover the interest that needed to be paid on the credit card bills, but at least most of the weight was lifted. She was still depressed & traumatised for quite a long time afterwards. Her relationship with her flatmate (who was also disabled) deteriorated and she moved out not long afterwards.

What a wonderful scheme to screw the most vulnerable people in society. Something Morris wholeheartedly supports.

"I'd of voted for the devil had he stood..." You wouldn't need to, even the devil himself would have been embarrassed by that level of evil behaviour.

[HALMA 1983]

Pretty simple really, Morris was only elected because most folk didin't want Labour in and I'd of voted for the devil had he stood to avoid that happening

You pretty much did vote that way The Tories have systematically attacked people who have disabilities, driving many people to suicide. I knew a woman (first hand experience of trying to support her emotionally, not anecdotal). She was a power wheelchair user in Manchester. She is in chronic pain and needs support with dressing etc. She was called to a Tory initiated ATOS assessment in Manchester city centre. The journey in is tough enough, but when she got there, she found that the assessment office was on the first floor but the lift was out of order. She phoned from the lobby to tell them that she couldn't get upstairs due to the faulty lift. They said that they already knew it was out of order. Power wheelchairs aren't all that good at going up stairs!

Obviously, phoning her to tell her not to travel in would have been too humane for ATOS, so she travelled back home, somewhat upset.

But nowhere near as upset as she was about to become, when her disability benefit was stopped 'for failing to attend an ATOS assessment'. Now those of you who remember ATOS will recall they had a dreadful record for mis-assessing people as 'fit' and they lost something like 80% of appeals. The delightful Tories were concerned about this level of failure, so hit upon a way to reduce the number of appeals. If you appealed the decision ALL your benefits were stopped until after the appeals process was complete. Often, this would take more than six months. Thus, the vast majority of unfairly treated disabled people couldn't afford to appeal, so were forced in to accepting the false decision. This woman appealed. In doing so, her Housing benefit, Mobility, everything was stopped. Fortunately, she had a decent landlord who was appalled by this and allowed her to run up six months of debt (how many landlords would do that?) Her flat mate helped with food & bills as much as she could. Mum & dad were begged from. She maxed out her credit cards. And for six months her life was on hold. Not surprisingly, she became depressed & withdrawn. She had suicidal ideation. Eventually, she won her appeal and received six months benefits, backdated. Obviously, that didn't cover the interest that needed to be paid on the credit card bills, but at least most of the weight was lifted. She was still depressed & traumatised for quite a long time afterwards. Her relationship with her flatmate (who was also disabled) deteriorated and she moved out not long afterwards.

What a wonderful scheme to screw the most vulnerable people in society. Something Morris wholeheartedly supports.

"I'd of voted for the devil had he stood..." You wouldn't need to, even the devil himself would have been embarrassed by that level of evil behaviour.[/quote]

Keith,
I think I've let you know my own personal position within my own family (here in Morecambe) and my views on the Labour party and their unsuitability to be in government in their present form
Even you cannot deny that this country is being systematically bled dry by the misuse of our very generous welfare system that was designed to be a stop gap (for workers who had paid in via N.I payments) until they found new employment, it was never intended to be able to live on for a sustained period or for those who haven't paid their way who seem to be the first to complain it isn't enough!
Under Labour that would be a free for all and you know it and who's going to bloody pay for it? Please don't say those who own businesses and their employees on minimum wage

Disabled people (including my own daughter with C.P and Autism) need more help and support I couldn't agree more (with you all the way) but also they have to be given the opportunity to be able to work if they can (again like my own daughter who has a chemistry degree working at McDonalds for 7 years)
She could just say knackers to it and sit back do nothing and claim every benefit under the sun................She doesn't and never will because she has ambition and wants to get out there and be somebody.

I will finish on this note............................The UK is completely f**Ked end of, NO Government including the one in power now will be able to halt the decline of what's coming within the next 10 to 15 years when none of what you've said will matter anyway
Shame we were warned and still bury our head in the sand as if it's not happening but it surely is and I've seen it with my own eyes.

[Freez]

So, somebody with nothing getting something for nothing is more of a crime than people with lots getting more of it at the expense of those with nothing?

[HALMA 1983]

So, somebody with nothing getting something for nothing is more of a crime than people with lots getting more of it at the expense of those with nothing?

There are people who go out to work doing long unsociable hours on low wages and have next to nothing but they still have to do it, been there myself although it never once occurred me that in my near 40 years of working that I'd expect someone else to fund my living expenses.
I'm no Einstein myself as you know but I didn't leave my working class family home before making sure that I had made the provision down to the last penny that it was sustainable, I didn't bring a tribe of kids into the world that I could ill afford to keep at the expense of others and the main thing was I lived within my means, went with what we had and NOTHING more. The very basics!

I live by the same principles now and it still amazes me that even in this day and age that some families 3 generations on are still out of work and taking massive advantage of this created second tier lifestyle.

Educate these so called folk with 'Nothing' starting with the family unit and the values within it and then you'll see the word 'Poverty' being banded around a hell of alot less!

[Keith]

But you are happy that the woman I mentioned was driven almost to suicide by your uncaring Tories? Due to her chronic pain, she'll never be able to work, simply existing is tough enough. I don't object to the fact that some people will need support all through their lives.

As for the 'scrounger' argument, I think they are very much in a minority, most people want to work. There is a small group of people who take advantage. I don't like that, but I'm willing to accept that, if it means the rest of society is treated more fairly.

I always ask... when people whinge and moan about those scroungers, would you want to swap your life for theirs? For some reason, everyone always says "no". So can we agree that none of us would want to swap places with the 0.5% for whom living on benefits is a life style choice?

Then, perhaps we can look at the next 10% who are living in or only slightly above poverty. These are the people most impacted upon by the Tories austerity. When is this austerity going to work? (Answer: 'never').

If Google, Amazon & Starbucks etc had to pay a fair amount in to the system, then the system would cope quite happily. But the Tories 'austerity' (read 'making cuts to police, health, fire & education services' & cutting investment, while tax cuts for the rich) are making it easier to sell off the NHS because it is falling apart, so people will start to think 'it can't be any worse if we have. a USA style service'. When Jeremy Hunt has official visits to US Health Insurance companies, the writing on the wall isn't even subtle anymore. The UK NHS is one of the most efficient in terms of outcomes, yet we spend less per head of population than most developed countries. Just think how wonderful it would be if we spent a similar amount on health?

A rich man, a working man and an unemployed man sat at a table with a dozen biscuits. The rich man picks up eleven biscuits, then turns to the working man and says "be careful, that unemployed man is going to take your biscuit". That's Ade's view of the world and it's also mine. Difference is, Ade agrees with the rich man. Whereas I think, let the poor man have that biscuit and the working man can have two of the rich mans' biscuits. Rich man is still doing very well, working man has improved and the poor man can still get by.

[mrpotatohead]

Top and bottom of it is this....Most socialists care about everyone's welfare. ..some don't. ...most conservatives care about only themselves ...some dont......expecting a tory MP to care about the weak and vulnerable is a tall order....and obviously totally alien to Morris and his voters. ...it's that simple.

[HALMA 1983]

A rich man, a working man and an unemployed man sat at a table with a dozen biscuits. The rich man picks up eleven biscuits, then turns to the working man and says "be careful, that unemployed man is going to take your biscuit". That's Ade's view of the world and it's also mine. Difference is, Ade agrees with the rich man. Whereas I think, let the poor man have that biscuit and the working man can have two of the rich mans' biscuits. Rich man is still doing very well, working man has improved and the poor man can still get by.

We all have our opinions and some are best left unsaid but I'll tell you this mate
That's a load of bollox and you know it

[Keith]

That's a load of bollox and you know it

Explain why it is bollocks? Which bit?

[Freez]

Ade, it's not how you think, I get that, but the bollocks bit is a smokescreen.

Keith has put forward a representation of what he thinks is happening, answers to it would represent a cogent argument, bollocks isn't an argument.

The truth to many is the lovely Mr Morris, that it would appear you and others vioted for, is in my opinion a complete self aggrandising oxygen thief.
But then I care about my community, my town and the people in it.

[HALMA 1983]

OK, Got to say I'm a little bit preoccupied at the moment as my Father is now on palliative care being looked after by our wonderful NHS in Oldham Royal (There you go Keith) and our christmas has been spent there over the last 2 days and today as he's near the end now but you know what I'm going to put right what Keith is making me out to be on here with his warped socialist Labour views that unfortunately I totally detest and will never agree with ever! That goes for Posh, Corbyn, Starmer, et al

1) I do not have a problem with anyone who falls on hard times and needs assistance be it financial or otherwise but I have always said it as it is as goes people without ambition who don't want to help themselves expecting others to carry them 'barring' disabled people with serious conditions that make it impossible for them to work in a normal manner like the rest of us able bodied folk (again I have a disabled daughter who is having it rough because of the way she is (which she bloody well hates and blames us which also makes me and the wife feel like failures) and it affects the day to day workings of our family within our home, Do I get help? NO! NOTHING for 26 years, DO I MOAN ABOUT IT...........NO!)
I myself always give to charitable causes, Be it cash if needed for emergency donations or just a random act of kindness towards a stranger in the street who is roughing it without food (never give cash but food as that can't be spent on bad things) drop off anything we or my wider family don't need that can be sold for the good of others via a charity shop.
2) coming from a 'nothing' local family I find it hard to believe that a well educated being like Keith could even think that I would have anything in common with a 'RICH' guy (hence the bollox)
You see the difference between me and Keith and his other mates is that I actually admire business people who create business and make shitloads of money because this means the very people he is moaning about (workers?) have a job rather than relying on benefits which cannot be lived on and like working folks pensions can no longer be guaranteed to increase hence all the moaning and militant trouble making on our streets in order to change this by bringing down a government that says 'Sorry but it's no longer happening' to one like Labour that will say 'OH YES have what you want and do jack shit for it but have no way of paying for it other than whacking every single person who have ambition including those with any kind of savings and want to 'do the right thing' like preparing for their future instead of pissing it up against a wall.
3) I DO NOT (unlike Keith and his mates) have anything against RICH PEOPLE, infact I couldn't give a shit about them, what they have, what they don't have because that is their lot be it BORN INTO IT or MADE IT BY HAVING BRAINS enough to do something others can't, even those who win £50 million on a lottery................BLOODY GOOD LUCK TO EM I SAY.
IT does not affect my way of thinking or my own personal goal of doing what I can for the good of my own family and their prospects going forward in future life and I've covered that for all my kids with hard work and saving!.

My father was told by his mother to 'NEVER ENVY ANYBODY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE GOT' TRY AND EMULATE THEM IF YOU CAN BUT NEVER ENVIOUS!

Seems to me that a hell of alot of people including some on here have a very jealous nature and hate for others to be that much better than they will ever be!

[Ispyshrimp]

Without going to much in politics on this subject and also not being a David Morris fan but isn't the reason the country is in the shit because Labour allowed it to become easy for people to sit on the arses and claim benefits whilst the rest of us work, it also became easy to run up debts with credit cards and unsecured loans on houses whilst they boasted a fantastic economy, now it needs paying back a different government has to make harsh decisions which effects us all and not the ones who ran up these debts.
People talk about people claiming benefits which I agree for genuine people I would not see struggle and we should help, but more and more those claiming benefits are fully able to work and chose not to, I know of plenty.
There are plenty who are low paid workers who get very little help and worse off than those claiming sat on their backsides at home bringing up their tribe of kids paid for by everyone who works

[Little Shrimp]

Benefit cheats are awful and they are out there but I can never understand why everybody is in such a pickle over it when the bloody Queen, whose income comes from your hard earned tax money you all care so deeply about being spent properly, hides £500 million in offshore accounts so she doesn't have to pay tax herself. Then, as mentioned earlier, the big companies that don't pay hundreds of millions of tax, and many wealthy people (I know some) dodge paying massive chunks of tax and all get away with it. Rich people have not necessarily always had to work that hard for it. A higher salary doesn't always equal harder work.

Also Labour aren't the cause of the credit crisis. Banks and the general public were, immorally giving away credit and daft mortgages which was recklessly snapped up by the public, many of who couldn't pay back. And then treating houses as care free investments rather than a place people actually have to live in.

Do some research before slamming a certain government for ruining the economy, both have let unfavourable things happen but at the end of the day, it's the banks and a good few normal folks who take the biggest slice of blame.

[Westgate Wanderer]

Busiest thread on a football forum! Because everybody has tired of the football and the arguments about our wonderful management/owners. One half of voters will always disagree with the other half and never see any good or bad in the others! They're all as bad and culpable as each other

[Ispyshrimp]

Like I say, I'm not political just a normal working person who opens his eyes and see what's happens around them, if I knew what the banks were doing as we're you little shrimp then obviously Labour did!!!!
They knew what was happening but could t stop it as otherwise the recession would of hit in their term of parliment, only saying!!!
As for other big business who dodge tax, I agree they should clap down on it, as should the lazy member of this country who can't be arsed working as they get too much on the dole and other benefits.
As for governments, none have been great over recent years so not slamming one but all

[Keith]

...now it needs paying back

The real problem is, it didn't need to be paid back.

It is like having a mortgage on your house. Your work environment changes, so you are now earning less than you were previously. You can still manage to pay your mortgage, but you decide to cut the children's food, in order to pay more off the mortgage. So now your kids are hungry, but your mortgage only has nineteen years left instead of twenty. Anyone in their right mind would think that was stupid, unless you think it does kids good to go hungry.

Unfortunately, the Tories used this as an excuse to cut spending on services that they don't agree with. Jeremy Hunt believes that we should have an insurance based health service like the USA. That way, wealthy people can pay less tax. Poor people can't get insurance but that's irrelevant because the important bit is rich people can get richer.

Of course, the real irony is, despite basing their economic plans upon reducing national debt, they haven't actually done that. The debt increased but investment in the country went down.

A couple of years ago, I was talking about the bankers and how the government said that they couldn't seek to make the banks pay anything towards the recession (such as additionally taxing their bonuses) because they would all up-sticks and move to the USA. He said in the US, they were told that they couldn't seek to make the banks pay anything towards the recession (such as additionally taxing their bonuses) because they would all up-sticks and move to Europe.

So the poorest people in the USA & UK are left to carry the biggest burden.

[Keith]

All these people who are living a wonderful life on benefits, sitting on their bums all day...

Come on then, who on here would like to swap their life with theirs?

[marky]

What utter rubbish I’ve seen in this thread. By far the biggest chunk of the working age benefit bill goes to people who work through tax credits! And they are all dwarfed by the austerity protected pension bill. And then it is all dwarfed by the tax avoidance figures... The vulnerable are easy targets but as someone who works in this field, I can assure everyone that few people have ‘easy lives’, no matter what their circumstances! I cannot believe some of the ill-informed vitriol I have read by certain people in this thread.

[Bare Grills]

All these people who are living a wonderful life on benefits, sitting on their bums all day...

Come on then, who on here would like to swap their life with theirs?

Not me, I enjoy getting up in a morning with a purpose in life, to earn money to support my family. I also like being able to keep some of it and know the hard earned money I've put away for my pension is safe. Is that too much to ask of any government?

If.you don't like the current government, there's plenty of.other countries to choose from, for a short while. There's even a tax-haven not too far away.

[shrimperteer]

Pretty simple really, Morris was only elected because most folk didin't want Labour in and I'd of voted for the devil had he stood to avoid that happening

You pretty much did vote that way The Tories have systematically attacked people who have disabilities, driving many people to suicide. I knew a woman (first hand experience of trying to support her emotionally, not anecdotal). She was a power wheelchair user in Manchester. She is in chronic pain and needs support with dressing etc. She was called to a Tory initiated ATOS assessment in Manchester city centre. The journey in is tough enough, but when she got there, she found that the assessment office was on the first floor but the lift was out of order. She phoned from the lobby to tell them that she couldn't get upstairs due to the faulty lift. They said that they already knew it was out of order. Power wheelchairs aren't all that good at going up stairs!

Obviously, phoning her to tell her not to travel in would have been too humane for ATOS, so she travelled back home, somewhat upset.

But nowhere near as upset as she was about to become, when her disability benefit was stopped 'for failing to attend an ATOS assessment'. Now those of you who remember ATOS will recall they had a dreadful record for mis-assessing people as 'fit' and they lost something like 80% of appeals. The delightful Tories were concerned about this level of failure, so hit upon a way to reduce the number of appeals. If you appealed the decision ALL your benefits were stopped until after the appeals process was complete. Often, this would take more than six months. Thus, the vast majority of unfairly treated disabled people couldn't afford to appeal, so were forced in to accepting the false decision. This woman appealed. In doing so, her Housing benefit, Mobility, everything was stopped. Fortunately, she had a decent landlord who was appalled by this and allowed her to run up six months of debt (how many landlords would do that?) Her flat mate helped with food & bills as much as she could. Mum & dad were begged from. She maxed out her credit cards. And for six months her life was on hold. Not surprisingly, she became depressed & withdrawn. She had suicidal ideation. Eventually, she won her appeal and received six months benefits, backdated. Obviously, that didn't cover the interest that needed to be paid on the credit card bills, but at least most of the weight was lifted. She was still depressed & traumatised for quite a long time afterwards. Her relationship with her flatmate (who was also disabled) deteriorated and she moved out not long afterwards.

What a wonderful scheme to screw the most vulnerable people in society. Something Morris wholeheartedly supports.

"I'd of voted for the devil had he stood..." You wouldn't need to, even the devil himself would have been embarrassed by that level of evil behaviour.

Keith,
I think I've let you know my own personal position within my own family (here in Morecambe) and my views on the Labour party and their unsuitability to be in government in their present form
Even you cannot deny that this country is being systematically bled dry by the misuse of our very generous welfare system that was designed to be a stop gap (for workers who had paid in via N.I payments) until they found new employment, it was never intended to be able to live on for a sustained period or for those who haven't paid their way who seem to be the first to complain it isn't enough!
Under Labour that would be a free for all and you know it and who's going to bloody pay for it? Please don't say those who own businesses and their employees on minimum wage

Disabled people (including my own daughter with C.P and Autism) need more help and support I couldn't agree more (with you all the way) but also they have to be given the opportunity to be able to work if they can (again like my own daughter who has a chemistry degree working at McDonalds for 7 years)
She could just say knackers to it and sit back do nothing and claim every benefit under the sun................She doesn't and never will because she has ambition and wants to get out there and be somebody.

I will finish on this note............................The UK is completely f**Ked end of, NO Government including the one in power now will be able to halt the decline of what's coming within the next 10 to 15 years when none of what you've said will matter anyway
Shame we were warned and still bury our head in the sand as if it's not happening but it surely is and I've seen it with my own eyes.[/quote]

What a ....!
The I did x y and z and so should everyone else brigade. Shame your selfishness extends to not giving yourself a proper political education. Great anecdotal evidence about your burger flipping daughter, not sure what it's meant to prove?

[Christies Child]

Don't think there is any need for some of the abuse aimed at a fellow SVer irrespective of his political viewpoint.

[shrimperteer]

Don't think there is any need for some of the abuse aimed at a fellow SVer irrespective of his political viewpoint.

Edited it as kids might read it. Definitely is one though.

[Ispyshrimp]

With regards to the phrase it doesn't need paying back, what rubbish, people do have mortgages that need paying back but like at this moment the interest rates are low so we all benefit, but how long for, they will go up. Slowly and put a squeeze on us all, obviously those with bigger mortgages more effected, the sane with loans or borrowed money, if you pay your mortgage off quicker then you save £££ in interest.

Get some of the lazy sods off their arse and into work and pay into the system which we have to support. That's a fact!!!
Again if things were better we would be better able to support those in genuine need like those who are genuine in their disability but unfortunately money is being removed from the system by the lazy ones who don't work, complain their skint yet have latest mobile phones on contract and manage to smoke 20 a day whilst moaning what shit life's they have.
Obviously these comments may be frowned upon but alot who stay quiet will be thinking the same views.
As for targeting multi million pound tax dodgers then why not all stand together and force the issue to be addressed like other countries do.

People forget low paid workers do pay some tax and NI contributions into the country despite being able to top up their salary with tax credits, surely if they didn't work then this would cost more.

Like I've said previously no government has been great over recent years and many more years of hard times ahead but if those generations of dole dossers are not addressed there's no chance of turning things around.
There's plenty of jobs but people chose not to work

[shrimperteer]

With regards to the phrase it doesn't need paying back, what rubbish, people do have mortgages that need paying back but like at this moment the interest rates are low so we all benefit, but how long for, they will go up. Slowly and put a squeeze on us all, obviously those with bigger mortgages more effected, the sane with loans or borrowed money, if you pay your mortgage off quicker then you save £££ in interest.

Get some of the lazy sods off their arse and into work and pay into the system which we have to support. That's a fact!!!
Again if things were better we would be better able to support those in genuine need like those who are genuine in their disability but unfortunately money is being removed from the system by the lazy ones who don't work, complain their skint yet have latest mobile phones on contract and manage to smoke 20 a day whilst moaning what shit life's they have.
Obviously these comments may be frowned upon but alot who stay quiet will be thinking the same views.
As for targeting multi million pound tax dodgers then why not all stand together and force the issue to be addressed like other countries do.

People forget low paid workers do pay some tax and NI contributions into the country despite being able to top up their salary with tax credits, surely if they didn't work then this would cost more.

Like I've said previously no government has been great over recent years and many more years of hard times ahead but if those generations of dole dossers are not addressed there's no chance of turning things around.
There's plenty of jobs but people chose not to work

All well and good. How would you go about this practically? That's not a sarcastic question. You've told us how people should be behaving but how are you going to get them behaving how you want? Serious question.

[Ispyshrimp]

Honestly, haven't a clue as not sure how it can change, but for many years this has gone on and from my point of view will take many years to sort out If a stance was taken,
People have had easy time for years on benefits and happy to be funded by all us who have worked or work.
Maybe benefits should be paid different means rather than cash as it's abused, I'm talking about those who haven't worked a honest day ever not those in short term unemployment and desperately want to work.

With regards to the national debt, I agree this was caused by easy credit given by banks and credit companies and I can see the same happening again in not to distant future, any slowing of this will have a major impact on economy so a no win really.
Hence the country is screwed for many a year but some of the issue is employment and those not wanting to work
NHS is another thing could be discussed which has a massive funding hole in it but how can you solve that when there's no money, you can't increase tax or ni contributions any more as this lowers the take home pay putting g more pressure on families.
Sorry for going on but those decisions obviously need addressing by those much more qualified than a normal working person like me who pissed off with hearing about dossers needing more money when they spend it on crap, however we have much more needy people requiring help from the country