Time to abandon Plan A....

Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:52 am

As the club languishes near the foot of the table and points for survival are hard to find, surely it is time to abandon Plan A- the hoofball up to the big striker to lay off. This plan doesn't work as frequently there is no support when he lays the ball off and most teams are able to combat this tactic. The management team also need to look at their selection method. That too is failing. How on earth did they come to the team selected for the Notts County game, leaving Lang on the bench? I am not being wise after the event, I questioned the line up on the forum before the start of the game. Their treatment of Lang reminds me of the way Amond was treated- an attitude that they "only score goals" not contribute to the team ethic! Most fans feel scoring goals is the main point of the game. In my opinion we have to give Lang his head for the rest of the season with another striker on loan to support him and a creative midfielder playing the role Rose played last season! The sooner everyone realises we are in trouble and not too good to be relegated the better. We are in a survival fight!
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:09 am

When Lang is fit he should be one of the first names on the team-sheet. Pace and an eye for goal.

Presumably we have a few players injured at the moment , McGurk , Wildig , Brough , Winnard. Have I missed anyone out ?
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:18 am

You have missed Rhys Turner out but sadly he seems very injury prone.
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Ispyshrimp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:44 am

Totally agree, Lang should play as he's the only one that looks a threat at times and also runs at players.
Thought after first 45 mins of hoof ball changes would have been made at half time and Lang brought on, we may have been in with a chance. At this rate it's going to be a fight between 4 teams for who stays up
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby BerlinWaller » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:23 am

I don't think Jim picks the team on ability or form. He picks a team based on sports science and comes up with some of the strangest selections ever. He over thinks it and as results show, gets it wrong more than right. Lang is on fire, a real threat but i bet his fatigue levels on the computer were high so he was left out.

Plan A is rubbish, plan B is to ring Kenny and planC is blame everything and everyone else. It is time for PlanP-45!
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:38 am

The manager picks players who he thinks are as fit as possible to play on the day, is sometimes forced to put players on that aren't 100%, and has a very limited pool, of "quality players"....due to financial constraints...the gulf between us and Notts county is massive in terms of talent and money , and if you listen to most managers being interviewed they all seem to repeat themselves, the alternative is to refuse to be interviewed and get moaned about even more, Peter's child relishes a defeat so he can get stuck into our manager and it's boring.
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Christies Child » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:34 pm

mrpotatohead wrote:The manager picks players who he thinks are as fit as possible to play on the day, is sometimes forced to put players on that aren't 100%, and has a very limited pool, of "quality players"....due to financial constraints...the gulf between us and Notts county is massive in terms of talent and money , and if you listen to most managers being interviewed they all seem to repeat themselves, the alternative is to refuse to be interviewed and get moaned about even more, Peter's child relishes a defeat so he can get stuck into our manager and it's boring.



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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Alicante shrimp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:12 pm

As axile could someone try and explain why jims peers seem to hold him in high regard saying that we like to play football, but on "voices" it is stated that we play hoof ball, confusing when watching from spain.
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Phoenix Shrimp 2017 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:19 pm

Whatever 'Plan A' is very rarely lasts very long anyway. As soon as the opposition harry us in midfield/ defence/all over the pitch we usually give up the ball and it ain't long before this leads to conceding a soft goal (or two), cue panic and 'hoof ball' because we don't have the players with the strength/fight/ability/tactics/balls/whatever, to retain possession and impose ourselves on the game. The one exception was Coventry at home where once again the football was a joy to watch and gave us real cause for optimism going forward. That didn't last long did it? Against Nottingham I went on with real optimism. Although they have been bigged up elsewhere on here, no one mentioned that in actual fact they hadn't won away since September, yes 3 months! Well that mediocre away form didn't take long to put right did it with a gift wrapped 3 points from us. I travel 40 plus miles to get to a game. Yesterday I was so sickened I was back home just after the final whistle, I've never left a game so early in my life. It was like deja vu all over again, just like many other games at the Globe in recent seasons, that I was so downhearted by it and just had to get out of there. When I look around the North Terrace nowadays there are so many faces missing, people who live just round the corner can't be arsed going anymore so I have to question my sanity in travelling so far to watch dross. I've been watching for 50 years and genuinely love the club but after yesterday I think I am finally so pissed off with it all that I can't take anymore. I live 5 minutes from the Wham Stadium but I honestly don't know if I can face New Years day when we will no doubt crumble once again, leaving me even more depressed with it all. Come on Jim, come on the players, for fecks sake get a grip and prove me wrong!!
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Christies Child » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:44 pm

Until our management team have a complete rethink in their approach to games then I'm afraid that nothing will change.

I can't for the life of me understand why Jim went on at his players for the first 8 minutes of yesterdays game, it's as though his pre-match team talk never took place until they where actually on the field of play. Ironically and even more worrying was that after the first goal he sat down and remained silent for an alarming number of minutes which as the ex pro footballer next to me said was the exact time when he should have been on his feet giving encouragement.

The same ex pro was quite critical of our tactics but suggested that in his opinion no manager in their right mind would consider taking over the management of our club. I strongly had to disagree because I firmly believe that any out of work manager would see our club as a stepping stone to a bigger club believing that he couldn't do any worse than the current regime.

For me, we have some excellent players, it's the method in which they are told to play that needs to change, but unfortunately I can't see it happening.

Sad because everybody wanted Jim to succeed when he was appointed and for the first couple of seasons it looked as though he would. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:45 pm

Good idea bringing in an "ex pro" to back up your guff, PC, it makes it really credible ....good for you :lol:
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby BerlinWaller » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:07 pm

mrpotatohead wrote:Good idea bringing in an "ex pro" to back up your guff, PC, it makes it really credible ....good for you :lol:


He does talk some shite at times but you can't knock his support. Well, at least you can't call him a two team W@nker can you MPH?
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby Little Shrimp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:52 pm

I do genuinely believe our plan A is on the deck but we often fluff it and play hoofball. I feel Jim's selection yesterday kind of aided this as Oliver on his own almost encourages it/makes it more viable. I think Jim has systems in place to defend (e.g., Kenyon falling back to help battle John Stead yesterday) but doesn't seem to have much in place going forwards. There needs to be more thought about the forward combinations and player's roles further up the pitch.

Also I noticed our press yesterday was dismal and if I think about it, always has been. It's too individually based and needs to be done as a team so we close down the man, shut off passing lanes and keep defensive shape. Steve Old's sloppy pass could be attributed to this. Kenyon had pushed up almost into the final third to press and when we defended the long ball, Old's main passing out (Kenyon at CDM) wasn't there hense some reasoning/excuse for the sloppy pass.
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:57 pm

Nothing wrong with supporting 2 teams....a lot of people do this, I actually support 3 as I am keen to see Bare Rangers doing well......as for the wanker tag, I'll wear that with pride having plenty to wank with! :lol:
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby bill ding » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:41 pm

Big hands ? ;)
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:09 pm

Like Pat Jennings!!! :lol:
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby bill ding » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:28 pm

Without the massive head of hair ;)
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:05 pm

Surprise sex is the best thing to wake up to, unless you're in prison.
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby bill ding » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:14 pm

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So you are a big dick then :roll:
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Re: Time to abandon Plan A....

Postby mrpotatohead » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:31 pm

:lol:
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