O/T who is to blame

[mrpotatohead]

When you are moaning about the predicament the Shrimps are in , on and off the pitch , and you are all discussing ridiculous things like "fan ownership" and "moving the ground" and "sacking the boss" ....why not instead discuss "Who is to blame"......just a fun suggestion as a bit of light relief whilst coming down from the high ,induced by today's match.

[Christies Child]

Now let me see......who would MrP suggest......

Difficult one that.....

[Zip It Shrimpy]

Is the answer George III?
If it wasn't for his insustence on taxation without representation we wouldn't have President Trump today.
Do I get an extra point for best answer so far?

[mrpotatohead]

well it ain't Jim Bentley.....thats for certain!

[Westgate Wanderer]

well it ain't Jim Bentley.....thats for certain!

certainly not! Afterall he just signs the players, trains them (occasionally) puts them in positions and dictates the tactics, Can't possibly be his fault.

[BerlinWaller]

MPH has a deep hatred for PMG because he wouldn't let his father in law in for free. I remember his passionate plea that fell on death ears at a Forum once.

[George Dawes]

It's an Accumulation of things since we got into the FL


The Town) is partly to blame for choosing to support Sky Sports, and Pubs on a Saturday afternoon, should be getting over 2000 and being self sufficient for a Town of our size.

On the Pitch) Our situation is a bit like West Broms fans wanted Tony Pulis out because of his negative football, they get rid of him to play more open Football, and now look certain to go down!

The Ground) we had a chance when the moving to the new ground we should have had a all seater stadium to be proud of for the sort of money we had to play with, but PMG wasted on a shit ground what's embarrassing when you speak to away fans, just like us they cant believe it when you compare it to other grounds and what they cost to build.

[mrpotatohead]

Has he ever "bought" a player?.....if so who, and for how much ?

How does Jim tempt players to come here if they are free agents? ....the lure of a relegation dogfight and low ,or unpaid wages ?

Do you think Jim should, despite keeping us in the league despite the odds year in year out, should resign and walk away with no severance pay.......maybe he should sell his house and donate the proceeds to a special fund to bring in a new boss.

[Westgate Wanderer]

Has he ever "bought" a player?.....if so who, and for how much ?

How does Jim tempt players to come here if they are free agents? ....the lure of a relegation dogfight and low ,or unpaid wages ?

Do you think Jim should, despite keeping us in the league despite the odds year in year out, should resign and walk away with no severance pay.......maybe he should sell his house and donate the proceeds to a special fund to bring in a new boss.

How many Morecambe managers HAVE bought a player?? I thought Jim looked into a players eyes and knew he was good enough for MFC? I thought he sold them an ideal where footballers would love to be? How many of the current players have been brought here by Jim? The bigger question is how the hell did he get a contract extension in the first place? I don't mean his new contract, i mean the extention he got in the first place! That was PMG 's biggest mistake

[mrpotatohead]

A cheap shot that Berlin Waller Gerry Irving has dedicated a large part of his life as a player and coach to our club, and was happy to pay in year in year out until a few seasons ago when he became ill, my "plea" as you call it, was on behalf of pension aged former players , not just Gerry , and far from falling on stony ground was taken on board by Rod Taylor , who organised Gerry, and other worthy players , season tickets , nowadays Gerry sits in hospitality , a guest of myself, at no cost to the club, if you want a pop at me ,fine, I think you are funny, but get your facts right before dragging an innocent pensioner who has been a great servant to the club into things....you are beneath contempt.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

Hold on a minute; I thought this was an "off topic" topic.

[Westgate Wanderer]

Hold on a minute; I thought this was an "off topic" topic.

well it aint got owt to do with football........JB's name has been mentioned!!

[BerlinWaller]

A cheap shot that Berlin Waller Gerry Irving has dedicated a large part of his life as a player and coach to our club, and was happy to pay in year in year out until a few seasons ago when he became ill, my "plea" as you call it, was on behalf of pension aged former players , not just Gerry , and far from falling on stony ground was taken on board by Rod Taylor , who organised Gerry, and other worthy players , season tickets , nowadays Gerry sits in hospitality , a guest of myself, at no cost to the club, if you want a pop at me ,fine, I think you are funny, but get your facts right before dragging an innocent pensioner who has been a great servant to the club into things....you are beneath contempt.

Fair play, i couldn't remember who it was and was by no means an attack on any individual. Was just bored of your shit attempt of getting people to take your bait.

[Ispyshrimp]

Look sometimes tactics don't work out and we all can have a go but to be honest, who could we tempt here to do the job Jim does.
No money, no training facilities, well that can be used over winter months at best, and ownership that no one knows what will happen next with regards to new owners.
I do feel PMG made choices for himself than those fans when building the stadium and had ideas much greater than us all.
I have said before I wonder how anyone can make the business decisions that have been made by so called business men and who in their right mind would build the community block and run it as a separate business, why not make changes to stadium and include in price of build, those decisions have come back to haunt us now they can't be used by the club/team.
I know there are people who like PMG and dont have a word said about him but for me I question his mentality of the decisions he has made

One positive note is that maybe those upstairs are starting to think about us normal working class fans by the cheap drinks offers and the hospitality offer for season ticket holders.

Were all in this together and sometimes having a dig might make us feel better having a rant at the time but we all want the same thing and that's to be a league 2 club next season and hopefully we will be.

[Christies Child]

There would be a number of out of work ex league managers, players wanting to move into management and current non league managers who would jump at an opportunity to take over in the belief that they couldn't do any worse in terms of providing entertainment.

However purely hypothetical as it just will not happen even if we do go down. Our club couldn't afford to pay up the management teams contracts.

Until the ownership issue gets sorted nothing will change and in the meantime we are sinking further and further into an end of season relegation scrap the signs of which are only too easy to see.

As for the Globe, don't recall that many against the stadium when plans became available or when it was built.

[morecambe boy]

"Not a shit attempt to get people to take the bait at all" But a good question that has stimulated good debate!

[mrpotatohead]

If you tied an Olympic swimmers arms and legs up, blindfolded him, and pushed him into a pool at the start of a race, would you commend him for treading water and surviving , or criticise him for not winning the race.

[mrpotatohead]

Thank you Morecambe boy, and Thank you for the personal messages by the kind fans about the other nastiness.

[BerlinWaller]

Thank you Morecambe boy, and Thank you for the personal messages by the kind fans about the other nastiness.

Haha behave.

[Westgate Wanderer]

OK i give in! It's never going to be Jb's fault for anything that happens! The stadium is far better than Christie Park, which has gone and is never coming back!! A football club lives by the standard on the pitch, nearly a thousand fans have voted with their feet at the poor showing on the field. I hope we do survive this season and remain a League club, then we can watch the same survival fight next season with Teflon Jim in charge of a we don't want to lose attitude instead of we want to win! We actually have good players but there is no plan A other than try not to lose, so defensive so weak in the tackle, weak clearances. Anyway its Sammy Macs' fault, if he had stayed one more season it seemed our current managers playing days were over and so was his contract

[Keith]

OK i give in! It's never going to be Jb's fault for anything that happens!

No, don't give in, you've convinced me. It's Jim's fault that we aren't playing like Brazil on a ploughed field of a pitch. If he had any ambition at all, he should be signing Harry Kane. How he hasn't got us in to the Championship by now, just proves how crap he is... As for flooded training facilities, that's just a poor excuse. The tide goes out a couple of times a day, let 'em go for a jog and a bit of beach football... You are right, Bentley Out!

There are times when I find Jim's tactics frustrating and baffling. I do think that he spends far too much time worrying about the opposition, rather than letting them worry about us. I'd like to see him simply put together his strongest team & formation from the available players and just damn well go for it. Yesterday's first half was dreadful, two awful sides doing their best to be worse than the other. Second half was better (not great, but better) and we deserved a draw.

But the real issue is, how do you measure success? If success is having the smallest budget and probably the worst training facilities in the Football League, but not getting relegated, then Jim is being a success, season after season. If people think the 'match day experience' would be improved by being near the top of Conference North, then fair enough, I can accept that. But if success is based upon League position, then we're doing incredibly to still be where we are. In my humble opinion.

[Freez]

Someone remains positive instead of constantly sniping, moaning and whinging and they get sarcasm! Bless.
Nothing is perfect, no real owner, nobody at the helm, nobody on the horizon, no money for players, not even loans, we draw at home to a team being bankrolled by a millionaire chairman who sanctioned TEN signings in January, but still it counts for nothing with some.

Last few games " why are we always crap in the last minute?" is the whinge.

Yesterday we weren't, we went for it and it paid off!! Admittedly we were crap in the first half mind. Only a point but better than nought.

[outsider]

Ok. It's my fault. According to Mrs O, everything is my fault. So might as well add this to the list.

[shrimperteer]

When you are moaning about the predicament the Shrimps are in , on and off the pitch , and you are all discussing ridiculous things like "fan ownership" and "moving the ground" and "sacking the boss" ....why not instead discuss "Who is to blame"......just a fun suggestion as a bit of light relief whilst coming down from the high ,induced by today's match.

Regarding on the pitch, blame for what? We're skint and have hardly any fans. Having been in the League for 11 years and counting, on the pitch we should be asking who do we thank?

[shrimperteer]

well it ain't Jim Bentley.....thats for certain!

certainly not! Afterall he just signs the players, trains them (occasionally) puts them in positions and dictates the tactics, Can't possibly be his fault.

Sounds like one of these West Ham fans that insist on playing the West Ham way. The same sorts of characters who were wanting Alan Curbishley out of Charlton because he wasn't getting them in to Europe.