O/T who is to blame

[steve mfc]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Its not about being positive or negative, we all want the same thing but the constant defence of Jimbo when there is any criticism at all only has the effect of making people more polarised in their opinions.

Freez you say "we went for it and it paid off" but my argument would be why did it take so long to make the changes when it was obvious after the first ten minutes that it wasn't working if the changes had been made sooner just maybe we would have picked up all three points, now that has nothing to do with the budget or any of the other reasons that constantly get brought up, its all about opinions but I just find it frustrating when so many people on here get so defensive and start bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the points raised.

[BerlinWaller]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Its not about being positive or negative, we all want the same thing but the constant defence of Jimbo when there is any criticism at all only has the effect of making people more polarised in their opinions.

Freez you say "we went for it and it paid off" but my argument would be why did it take so long to make the changes when it was obvious after the first ten minutes that it wasn't working if the changes had been made sooner just maybe we would have picked up all three points, now that has nothing to do with the budget or any of the other reasons that constantly get brought up, its all about opinions but I just find it frustrating when so many people on here get so defensive and start bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the points raised.

Yes Steve......

[black morse]

He is top of the Prediction League!

[Westgate Wanderer]

He is top of the Prediction League!

stop giving him publicity!

[steve mfc]

He is top of the Prediction League!

stop giving him publicity!

Well im obviously being far to optimistic

[sandgrown]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Its not about being positive or negative, we all want the same thing but the constant defence of Jimbo when there is any criticism at all only has the effect of making people more polarised in their opinions.

Freez you say "we went for it and it paid off" but my argument would be why did it take so long to make the changes when it was obvious after the first ten minutes that it wasn't working if the changes had been made sooner just maybe we would have picked up all three points, now that has nothing to do with the budget or any of the other reasons that constantly get brought up, its all about opinions but I just find it frustrating when so many people on here get so defensive and start bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the points raised.

second all that !

[mrpotatohead]

To be fair , everyone supporting the club , pro and anti manager , are entitled to an opinion, as for being on the defensive regarding the manager, it counters the comments about everything being the managers fault , from the price of beans to credit.

[Sakhalin Shrimp]

To be fair , everyone supporting the club , pro and anti manager , are entitled to an opinion, as for being on the defensive regarding the manager, it counters the comments about everything being the managers fault , from the price of beans to credit.

Speaking of beans, did anyone try the spicy bean pie yesterday?

[mrpotatohead]

We had a vegan sat with us, he enjoyed it, and he always speaks well of the veggie options in hospitality.

[George Dawes]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Shakespeare!

I don't expect to win every game, my main gripe over the seasons is also this point about playing players out of position, Jim did this with Barkauzien(look at him now) at R/B and Amond(Goal Machine) and now it looks like Wilde will be messed about who's a wide man who likes to use his pace.

With Wilde a good example might be De Maria a flying winger for Real Madrid, who signed for Man United, who then played him in the middle where he can't use is pace, so he got pissed off then went to PSG and his now back on fire again, point being just keep players happy then they can do damage.

PS, I'd have had the back up Goal Keeper coming of the bench to go R/B before asking Barkauzien to drop back when your losing a game.

[Keith]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Steve, my sarcasm was aimed at the previous sarcasm...

OK i give in! It's never going to be Jb's fault for anything that happens! The stadium is far better than Christie Park, which has gone and is never coming back!! A football club lives by the standard on the pitch, nearly a thousand fans have voted with their feet at the poor showing on the field. I hope we do survive this season and remain a League club, then we can watch the same survival fight next season with Teflon Jim in charge of a we don't want to lose attitude instead of we want to win! We actually have good players but there is no plan A other than try not to lose, so defensive so weak in the tackle, weak clearances. Anyway its Sammy Macs' fault, if he had stayed one more season it seemed our current managers playing days were over and so was his contract

I've actually posted criticism of Jim & his tactics previously. Some of the anti-JB criticism also fails to acknowledge any positives.

[mrpotatohead]

The very small anti Bentley mob are very touchy when anyone defends him, and are very quick to turn any subject under the sun into an anti Jim moan, thats why most of the more intelligent fans dont comment , most sensible people know why the club is struggling.

I daresay that if we get a new owner in the next week or two , stay up, and the management start next season with a bit of financial backing, we would be mid table and the same mob would be moaning that we should be top of the league, that's because miserable people are just like that and they can't change, I blame it on drink.

[KenH]

Regarding on the pitch, blame for what? We're skint and have hardly any fans. Having been in the League for 11 years and counting, on the pitch we should be asking who do we thank?

And why have we "hardly any fans"? Every single one of the lapsed fans I talk to blame the poor home form, which isn't just recent, our home form has been poor ever since the move to the Globe (coinciding with Jim taking over as manager). Not a single person I've spoken to has blamed the price, warm beer, etc as THE reason for losing interest. I remember posts on here from 5/6 years ago bemoaning the poor home form, lack of entertainment, etc. At that time, we survived in the league because we had a really good away form, but the damage was being done, game by game, to the fan base. It's certainly not recent, and certainly not just because of the ownership crisis - things were going wrong and we were losing crowds long beforehand.

[Gone_Shrimping]

Regarding on the pitch, blame for what? We're skint and have hardly any fans. Having been in the League for 11 years and counting, on the pitch we should be asking who do we thank?

And why have we "hardly any fans"? Every single one of the lapsed fans I talk to blame the poor home form, which isn't just recent, our home form has been poor ever since the move to the Globe (coinciding with Jim taking over as manager). Not a single person I've spoken to has blamed the price, warm beer, etc as THE reason for losing interest. I remember posts on here from 5/6 years ago bemoaning the poor home form, lack of entertainment, etc. At that time, we survived in the league because we had a really good away form, but the damage was being done, game by game, to the fan base. It's certainly not recent, and certainly not just because of the ownership crisis - things were going wrong and we were losing crowds long beforehand.

Spot on. Our last really good season was 2009/2010 , which was our last at Christie Park.

Since then we are now in our 8th season of either average or mediocre results and if you think of that to still have over 1,300 home fans like last Saturday shows we have a decent hard core. The team need to start playing to their strengths and that means putting the best players on from the start , not playing 7 defensive players.

[red shrimp]

[quote="mrpotatohead"]The very small anti Bentley mob are very touchy when anyone defends him, and are very quick to turn any subject under the sun into an anti Jim moan, thats why most of the more intelligent fans dont comment , most sensible people know why the club is struggling.

What a load of absolute rubbish! There are more wanting a change than you might suspect MPH. We have lost over 1000 fans, are you saying these are all pro Bentley ? I have spoken with numerous fans who were once regulars, saying that they won't return until there is a change in management. The main reason we are struggling, is because we have a manager who can't manage. Stupid Formations, stupid tactics, mind boggling substitutions. There is always an excuse when we get beat, Jim never takes the blame, he just shifts it.

I don't blame people for staying away, the past few years, 5 or more, have been a total joke from top to bottom.

You keep them tinted glasses on, and sit back, and enjoy our continued demise under Jim.

[Shrimpy]

The very small anti Bentley mob are very touchy when anyone defends him, and are very quick to turn any subject under the sun into an anti Jim moan, thats why most of the more intelligent fans dont comment , most sensible people know why the club is struggling.

What a load of absolute rubbish! There are more wanting a change than you might suspect MPH. We have lost over 1000 fans, are you saying these are all pro Bentley ? I have spoken with numerous fans who were once regulars, saying that they won't return until there is a change in management. The main reason we are struggling, is because we have a manager who can't manage. Stupid Formations, stupid tactics, mind boggling substitutions. There is always an excuse when we get beat, Jim never takes the blame, he just shifts it.

I don't blame people for staying away, the past few years, 5 or more, have been a total joke from top to bottom.

You keep them tinted glasses on, and sit back, and enjoy our continued demise under Jim.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic"?

[Christies Child]

.....but whoever is to blame, we've still got a hard core of circa 1300 which considering the performances over the last decade or so is bloody remarkable.

Maybe those remaining are so die hard reds that our constant battle against relegation is something they actually enjoy.....very sad.

No doubt some would complain if we won every game week in, week out. Maybe the cost of pies, teas, coffees and pulled pork buns...

[BerlinWaller]

When we win, who gets the praise?

[jbcshrimp]

Look sometimes tactics don't work out and we all can have a go but to be honest, who could we tempt here to do the job Jim does.
No money, no training facilities, well that can be used over winter months at best, and ownership that no one knows what will happen next with regards to new owners.
I do feel PMG made choices for himself than those fans when building the stadium and had ideas much greater than us all.
I have said before I wonder how anyone can make the business decisions that have been made by so called business men and who in their right mind would build the community block and run it as a separate business, why not make changes to stadium and include in price of build, those decisions have come back to haunt us now they can't be used by the club/team.
I know there are people who like PMG and dont have a word said about him but for me I question his mentality of the decisions he has made

One positive note is that maybe those upstairs are starting to think about us normal working class fans by the cheap drinks offers and the hospitality offer for season ticket holders.

Were all in this together and sometimes having a dig might make us feel better having a rant at the time but we all want the same thing and that's to be a league 2 club next season and hopefully we will be.

With respect Ispy, I'd rather see us in league 1, might not happen, but that's what I'd like to see.

[BerlinWaller]

Was good to see PMG at the game. Saw him leaving about 1720, would have been nice for him pop in to the pauper bar and give us an update

[shrimperteer]

Here we go again nobody has said we should be playing like Brazil or challenging for the play offs or beating teams like Forest Green we all know they have a bigger budget and our training facilities are crap, its not even about success its about the decisions made by the manager the way the team is set up, players playing out of position and the time it takes to make changes during the course of the game in both formation and personal.

You may or may not agree with the criticism but please can we stop having the same excuses trotted out every time any criticism is directed at Jim Bentley, its a football forum surely we should be able to discuss matters on the pitch without the criticism being twisted and turned into something its not even about just to defend the manager.

Its not about being positive or negative, we all want the same thing but the constant defence of Jimbo when there is any criticism at all only has the effect of making people more polarised in their opinions.

Freez you say "we went for it and it paid off" but my argument would be why did it take so long to make the changes when it was obvious after the first ten minutes that it wasn't working if the changes had been made sooner just maybe we would have picked up all three points, now that has nothing to do with the budget or any of the other reasons that constantly get brought up, its all about opinions but I just find it frustrating when so many people on here get so defensive and start bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the points raised.

The defence only comes up when the same old ignorant bollocks is spouted time and time again. It works both ways. Or does only one side of the argument have to shut up?

[mrpotatohead]

The pro Jim fans usually admit openly that he makes mistakes , most anti Jim fans are blinkered , hateful, and full of disrespect, not all of them, just the same old half a dozen.

[KenH]

just the same old half a dozen.

Where do you mean? On here, on facebook, in the terraces, or in the general Morecambe area. Given our attendances have dropped by several hundred, I think there's a few more than half a dozen who aren't happy with Jim's management/tactics, etc.

[Westgate Wanderer]

just the same old half a dozen.

Where do you mean? On here, on facebook, in the terraces, or in the general Morecambe area. Given our attendances have dropped by several hundred, I think there's a few more than half a dozen who aren't happy with Jim's management/tactics, etc.

and it's a similar same half dozen that hail him as the messiah!!

[mrpotatohead]

If we were bought by a billionaire and he gave the manager the same budget as Carlisle next season .we'd probably get into league one via the playoffs and half the fans still wouldn't be happy....and our attendances would still be under 1900.....