Radio Lancashire Interview - Jim "uncomfortable" with DOF

[redrobo]

No way do I want Ince anywhere near our club. Just wonder what the fans said to the new owners when asked about Jim and Co? Wonder if their answers have made them k look at the situation.? Also how can we afford to pay Ince or is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart.....I don't think so. Terrible news. Protests are in order at the next home game for me.

[SimplyRed MFC]

I'm not surprised that Jim is uncomfortable with this appointment.
So who picks the team now ? Who decides the tactics ?

What if there is no agreement on either, what would the players feel about the indecision ?
How will it affect team morale ?

Nothing whatsoever against Paul Ince, but I would find it a strange appointment whoever became DOF as to the affect on the side

Jim may have lost some games while assembling this seasons new team but the players are not against the management and they have not lost the dressing room - quite the opposite. The team is pulling together and performances have not been as bad as the results. Strange move, seriously hope it doesn't backfire

[BerlinWaller]

No way do I want Ince anywhere near our club. Just wonder what the fans said to the new owners when asked about Jim and Co? Wonder if their answers have made them k look at the situation.? Also how can we afford to pay Ince or is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart.....I don't think so. Terrible news. Protests are in order at the next home game for me.

Your posts are borderline bonkers at the best of times but I think this is the barmiest yet! Do we know what the role even means? If it helps improve recruitment and Coaching then I am all for it. Ince has played at the top level and under some fantastic managers here and abroad. He has a decent record as a Manager and worked his way from the bottom of League 2 to the Prem in a few years. Just because Jim says we need a new mower and a full time Kitman, you lose your shit. I quite like the forward thinking attitude of our new owners rather than persisting with the status quo of Jim doing the same thing week in week out with terrible results. Protest? Give your head a shake man.

....and Guess what, there is someone willing to take a job at Morecambe FC. No longer can the fan boys ask who would be willing to come here.

[mrpotatohead]

A other nail in the "family clubs" coffin lid....maybe the new people actually want to alienate fans and create a climate where no body cares if the club, in its present state, ceases to exist, it's a shambles ,it's disgusting and it's embarrassing to be a supporter.

[BerlinWaller]

Maybe they want to progress the club and turn us in to a more professional outfit rather than the state we are in now? Ince is not coming in as a Joint Manager but as a Director of Football. If anything it will make Jim's life easier and stop him being a one man band.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_football

[Andy D]

If these rumours are true then rightly or wrongly it shows our new owners are geniune and ambitious.

[BerlinWaller]

If these rumours are true then rightly or wrongly it shows our new owners are geniune and ambitious.

Totally agree with you Andy. They show a bit of ambition and forward thinking and there are talks of protests and nails in coffins. Crazy.

[bill ding]

A other nail in the "family clubs" coffin lid....maybe the new people actually want to alienate fans and create a climate where no body cares if the club, in its present state, ceases to exist, it's a shambles ,it's disgusting and it's embarrassing to be a supporter.

I agree wholeheartedly with the above

[BerlinWaller]

If these rumours are true then rightly or wrongly it shows our new owners are geniune and ambitious.

Totally agree with you Andy. They show a bit of ambition and forward thinking and there are talks of protests and nails in coffins. Crazy. If this was happening during a fantastic run of form and on the back of a great season, I would be concerned but it isn't. We have been terrible for ages and Jim is unable to sustain any type of decent form. There has to be change and this seems to be the best we can hope for at this moment of time. Worth a punt imo

[mrpotatohead]

it is impossible to defame or insult the anonymous.

ADMIN: Not true. It is possible to delete their posts as well.

[RapidShrimp]

If these rumours are true then rightly or wrongly it shows our new owners are geniune and ambitious.

Totally agree with you Andy. They show a bit of ambition and forward thinking and there are talks of protests and nails in coffins. Crazy.

I’m completely amazed by how ignorant some people on here are... Some saying words along the lines of “if we’d have got a bit more luck recently, Jim wouldn’t been in the predicament he is in... Isn’t that obvious? The performances have been crap, our two wins this season have been pretty dier at best (Macclesfield was dreadful, one of the worst teams we’ve ever seen, and only 10men, and we nearly screwed it up...).

And don’t get me started on a “boycott” at the next Globe game...
- Do you not want ambition?
- Does Jim and loads of people on here not understand what a DoF actually does? (i.e. transfers, player welfare, helping the management team with the team etc... - Jim would still be the “coach” and the “role model” of the club, and Incey would deal with the misc tasks that arise with every FC).
- Do we not want a bit of media attention and extra press ?
- Do we not want a few extra fans popping to the Globe after a bit of a change?

People need to get out of the “ex-captain Jim” attitude, and think realistically (that Jim has brough the club from one bad season, to basically just survivng for a few seasons in a row now, terrible performances and subs, etc, etc...) that if Jim is staying at the club (which he is fortunate to still be at let’s not forget - he’d be gone at every other team by now) as a figurehead of Morecambe FC, he needs a bit of help to actually succeed and reach anywhere near the potential which this current squad has...

[Posh]

Maybe they want to progress the club and turn us in to a more professional outfit rather than the state we are in now? Ince is not coming in as a Joint Manager but as a Director of Football. If anything it will make Jim's life easier and stop him being a one man band.

For all that to happen we'd need to have money.

Here's how I see it.

New owners based in Essex mix with fans some say they want Jim out so act on that basis.
Realise Jim has long contract but they can't afford to do a deal to pay him and Ken off.
Decide to spread rumours regarding Director of Football and hope he resigns.
Can't afford to hire Director of Football so let it drop.

Two things there, they can't afford it.

They say debt free - I see two Barclays mortgages and a debenture still in place as well as their own 10%+ loan from their other company Mayfair Finance - so debt free is untrue.

They say more money - I see no evidence. No new staff, no GM or MD, no ground improvements, except pre-acquisition reseeding of pitch and no evidence of spending on team.

You say professional outfit - I see, without going into detail, cowboy behaviour from people who suddenly appear.

Maybe the new people actually want to alienate fans and create a climate where nobody cares if the club, in its present state, ceases to exist.

Who gains if this happens? The new owners. A load of land and assets for a pittance.

[P/T Indie]

I type of agree with rapid shrimp and if the new owners are serious say about the Academy maybe DoF has a wider brief and it is looking to make us a more professional outfit with a better structure which if that is the true intentions fair enough.

However if done properly the manager should be consulted and in agreement and make sure it's someone they can work with which I don't think is happening in this case.

Also I think it's one of those nice things to have like a luxury item and not essential, so let's get Chesh some new equipment first and a shed and any other equipment Jim and the backroom staff need instead of having to have whip rounds for things like heart monitors oh and sort the training pitch out.

Salford have a DOF on Chris casper I wonder if PMG still has contacts at Salford and has been looking at their structure.

JB will still pick the team etc so nothing around tactics team line up will change. If they want to replace Jim I they should just let him go and pay him off properly with recognition for his service and then we should go for an x player who is starting out a Kevin Nolan, joey Barton, Kevin Davis type figure who isn't doing it for the money but just to prove themselves. In this case with an inexperienced Manager working with a DOF might work and they would be more open to the structure.

[Gone_Shrimping]

A director of football is going to cost at least £100k per annum and if that sort of money is available it should be used in other ways. As mentioned a full-time side-kick for Chesh would be a great help to prepare the Globe pitch and the Turners training ground.
There is still a charge at Companies House in respect of Mayfair Finance. No amount is mentioned but I would like to see this satisfied before any DOF is appointed.

[mrpotatohead]

so in summary ....new people come in with a bag of grass seeds, promises of big things and an incompetant media guru....and???

[Seasider9601]

so in summary ....new people come in with a bag of grass seeds, promises of big things and an incompetant media guru....and???

"and..........." we don't hear anything from them.

They don't put out press releases or ANY information.

We hear stories of supposedly spending circa £100k pa on a Director of Football.

Madness. Utter F***ing madness.

And worrying. Very, very worrying. The whole thing sits most uncomfortably with me.

[bill ding]

so in summary ....new people come in with a bag of grass seeds, promises of big things and an incompetant media guru....and???

"and..........." we don't hear anything from them.

They don't put out press releases or ANY information.

We hear stories of supposedly spending circa £100k pa on a Director of Football.

Madness. Utter F***ing madness.

And worrying. Very, very worrying. The whole thing sits most uncomfortably with me.

Meanwhile ..............We still have no training facilities of our own , the 4G pitches and community block remain up for sale , none of the promised ground improvements show any signs of being done !

The word i am looking for is PRIORITIES !!!

[Slanester]

so in summary ....new people come in with a bag of grass seeds, promises of big things and an incompetant media guru....and???

"and..........." we don't hear anything from them.

They don't put out press releases or ANY information.

We hear stories of supposedly spending circa £100k pa on a Director of Football.

Madness. Utter F***ing madness.

And worrying. Very, very worrying. The whole thing sits most uncomfortably with me.

Sentiment that would be shared by a large number of true Morecambe supporters.

[Seasider9601]

He has a decent record as a Manager and worked his way from the bottom of League 2 to the Prem in a few years.

Errrrrr, not exactly.

Read his managerial record and full detail here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ince#As_a_manager

Also lets not forget, he received a "Stadium Ban" (not a touchline ban, a STADIUM ban) when he was in charge of Blackpool due to his conduct with match officials.

Paul Ince ? No thanks...............................

[mrpotatohead]

The Paul Ince thing is , in my opinion a smokescreen , the owners want to wind up the manager and make him either walk, or commit an act of misconduct so they can fire him without compensation , the real replacement manager , a much cheaper option , could be waiting in the wings , maybe coaching at err...I dunno , maybe a 3rd world national team or something.

[KenH]

I wonder if people are getting ahead of themselves with this?

Presumably, PMG is currently wearing the "hat" of director of football? Someone, presumably a current director, must be performing the role of director overviewing Jim and the main team, Stuart & the reserves, the academy, the pitch, etc?

Could this not just be the new owners setting up a replacement for PMG or whoever is doing the job at the moment.

Then, it would follow, that there'd be another director for "non football" activities, i.e. the hospitality, refreshments, bars, club shop, sponsorship, etc?

I.e. two new professionals brought in at board level to effectively "run" the club at local level, replacing PMG and/or ANO (whoever is performing those roles at present on a casual/part time basis).

Seems reasonable to me. We can't expect existing directors with other jobs/businesses to operationally run the club, and personally, I think PMG needs to step back (if he's active currently). Fans have been crying out for proper management of the club, so perhaps this is part of that process?

[Phil Anderer]

The Paul Ince thing is , in my opinion a smokescreen , the owners want to wind up the manager and make him either walk, or commit an act of misconduct so they can fire him without compensation , the real replacement manager , a much cheaper option , could be waiting in the wings , maybe coaching at err...I dunno , maybe a 3rd world national team or something.

I'm worried. Although I haven't commented the previous couple of times, this is the third time in a week that I've agreed with Mr P! To qualify, I don't necessarily mean everything above, as they could merely be trying to get Jim to 'up his game', but I think that broadly speaking Mr P could be right.

[Keith]

...I dunno , maybe a 3rd world national team or something.

Do you have a specific third world national team in mind or are you just teasing?

[outsider]

New owners based in Essex mix with fans some say they want Jim out so act on that basis.

Allegedly, I was one of the fans spoken to and they never asked my opinion of Jim. Has anyone spoken to said they were asked?

[Freez]

Ken, lovely idea, but not how the club is set up at all I'm afraid. I respect your aplomb with the financial side but this is pure fantasy, I assure you, despite the new guys outlining something akin to this at their meet and greet, it hasn't happened.
As for the clamour for Ince, it's been handled badly, if it has come from the new blokes, add this on to the Karius tweet and it's pretty low behaviour. Unsubtle and devious at best.
And as for the usual suspects liking the idea as it gets rid of Jim, no surprise.

Apart from making the right noises at meetings, we have seen nothing concrete from this takeover, for me. That's not to say it won't happen, but my suspicions are that the long game these chaps are playing doesnt involve us as a working football club.
If you want Jim out so badly you are refusing to see it, fair enough, but take a hard look at the background, the evidence and the actions and be careful what you wish for!