Players not paid

[Freez]

Us, who is us?
You, possibly some others?
That thread is still up and running, if there is an answer on here, I'll close that one!! Don't want confusion to add to an already cloudy subject.

[Slanester]

K, 100 people could read my comment, “read between the lines,” and come to a totally different conclusion to yours.
Something we both agree on, is that communication is important, and tough question should be asked when necessary. Where we differ on this ,is that for me, the importance of it should be in relation to the “here and now.” Things can only move forward, if the past isn’t allowed, to taint and cloud the present. Easier said than done maybe, but how I see it.
With regard to me saying,”some of the comments should be treated with contempt,” That is because we both know, that they are just put on to get a reaction, rather than input to a sensible, adult discussion.
As I have said on a number of occasions, everybody has an opinion. If I disagree and post my own, it’s not because I feel that mine is more important or correct than any other, simply MY OPINION.

How many other monickers do you have on this forum S?

Ok then if thats your opinion and going with the flow perhaps you could communicate your take on this thread and inform us of the five year business plan -

http://www.giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoices/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23905

Just when it seemed like things were on track , with some sensible discussion of opinion and thoughts, it looks like you want to make it personal. Something I choose not to do normally, but can oblige if necessary.

“How many monickers.......” A bit of an odd one that. Only need the one, as only have one opinion.

As for “communicate your take...............five year business plan.” I never have, or ever would claim, to have the know how, or answers for such an important issue. I will leave that to you, as you obviously do. I simply have an opinion.

[Knightrider]

Us, who is us?
You, possibly some others?
That thread is still up and running, if there is an answer on here, I'll close that one!! Don't want confusion to add to an already cloudy subject.

US = the town and city. its resident population (the actual owners of the land at Westgate_ before it was undersold by Lancaster City Council without any form of public tender to MFC Ltd which created the revenue to facilitate the move from Christie Park which many fans did not agree/consent with and raised legitimate concerns which sadly proved to be well founded.

In the interests of the football club I do not understand why you would wish to close the thread I created about what the new owners business plan for the club was inspired by another moderators input on an earlier thread - Posh.

Hope that addresses your question fully gents.

[Knightrider]

K, 100 people could read my comment, “read between the lines,” and come to a totally different conclusion to yours.
Something we both agree on, is that communication is important, and tough question should be asked when necessary. Where we differ on this ,is that for me, the importance of it should be in relation to the “here and now.” Things can only move forward, if the past isn’t allowed, to taint and cloud the present. Easier said than done maybe, but how I see it.
With regard to me saying,”some of the comments should be treated with contempt,” That is because we both know, that they are just put on to get a reaction, rather than input to a sensible, adult discussion.
As I have said on a number of occasions, everybody has an opinion. If I disagree and post my own, it’s not because I feel that mine is more important or correct than any other, simply MY OPINION.

How many other monickers do you have on this forum S?

Ok then if thats your opinion and going with the flow perhaps you could communicate your take on this thread and inform us of the five year business plan -

http://www.giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoices/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23905

Just when it seemed like things were on track , with some sensible discussion of opinion and thoughts, it looks like you want to make it personal. Something I choose not to do normally, but can oblige if necessary.

“How many monickers.......” A bit of an odd one that. Only need the one, as only have one opinion.

As for “communicate your take...............five year business plan.” I never have, or ever would claim, to have the know how, or answers for such an important issue. I will leave that to you, as you obviously do. I simply have an opinion.

I dont understand where you are coming from S unless you are trying to confuse/muddy the waters.

With respect S as the evidence shows all I asked was an on topic question -

With respect Rod why were your employees paid late and what has been done to prevent this reoccurring?

Thank you.

Do you have a problem with that?

Apologies if I offended you by asking you the question do you have any other monickers here as some members of the forum clearly do.

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

Knightrider,

bloody hell mate give it a rest PAL. Here I am been out at work all day, come on here for a bit of footie gossip to find you've hijacked every post with your usual s***e. Looks like you've spent all day on here. Why don't you do something worthwhile like go out and get yerself a job. Lighten up PAL.

UTS.

[Slanester]

[quote="Knightrider"
K, 100 people could read my comment, “read between the lines,” and come to a totally different conclusion to yours.
Something we both agree on, is that communication is important, and tough question should be asked when necessary. Where we differ on this ,is that for me, the importance of it should be in relation to the “here and now.” Things can only move forward, if the past isn’t allowed, to taint and cloud the present. Easier said than done maybe, but how I see it.
With regard to me saying,”some of the comments should be treated with contempt,” That is because we both know, that they are just put on to get a reaction, rather than input to a sensible, adult discussion.
As I have said on a number of occasions, everybody has an opinion. If I disagree and post my own, it’s not because I feel that mine is more important or correct than any other, simply MY OPINION.

How many other monickers do you have on this forum S?

Ok then if thats your opinion and going with the flow perhaps you could communicate your take on this thread and inform us of the five year business plan -

http://www.giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoices/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23905

Just when it seemed like things were on track , with some sensible discussion of opinion and thoughts, it looks like you want to make it personal. Something I choose not to do normally, but can oblige if necessary.

“How many monickers.......” A bit of an odd one that. Only need the one, as only have one opinion.

As for “communicate your take...............five year business plan.” I never have, or ever would claim, to have the know how, or answers for such an important issue. I will leave that to you, as you obviously do. I simply have an opinion.[/quote]

I dont understand where you are coming from S unless you are trying to confuse/muddy the waters?

It’s not too difficult to understand where you are coming from though. Opening your post again,with yet another subtle, quite cleverly done,(for want of a better word, ) “dig,” at me personally.

With respect S as the evidence shows all I asked was an on topic question -

With respect in return to you. You know as well as I do, exactly how and what your intention was in the way you asked the question.

With respect Rod why were your employees paid late and what has been done to prevent this reoccurring?

Thank you.

Do you have a problem with that?

Absolutely not. Something we both agree on.

Apologies if I offended you by asking you the question do you have any other monickers here as some members of the forum clearly do.[/quote]

For me there can only be one intention, when aiming that question at somebody on here. That is to offend, and belittle them online. Appreciate your apology, but no need. My response to your posts in future will be honest and measured, but with less constraint on my part, with regard trying not to cause offence. The common ground between us, in relation to MFC, isn’t wide enough to lay a cigarette paper. Agreeing to disagree, is about as good as it will get.

[Freez]

Knightrider, I asked who is us, after you asked a question of another member about another thread you started about a five year plan, so the answer was required by YOU, as you asked the question.
Not the the town, the city, its resident population.
I understand you want an answer, he has answered.

[Knightrider]

Knightrider,

bloody hell mate give it a rest PAL. Here I am been out at work all day, come on here for a bit of footie gossip to find you've hijacked every post with your usual s***e. Looks like you've spent all day on here. Why don't you do something worthwhile like go out and get yerself a job. Lighten up PAL.

UTS.

With respect my friend I do have a job but I dont work 24/7 and do have time out.

Your offensive personal attack is not appreciated by me and breaches the rules of engagement which you have to agree with when registering on this forum.

I dont understand what s^^^ I have posted on this thread or today so if the moderators fail to impose the rules on you could I suggest you create a relevant non abusive O/T thread appropriate to the content of your derogatory, disparaging and abusive post.

What I find s*** is that the clubs employees were payed late again and there has been no apology made by the club or an explanation of why it occurred and what measures have been put in place to prevent it from reoccurring.

If you are truly a supporter of the club and care about its hard working employees I dont understand where you are coming from.

[black morse]

Knightrider,

bloody hell mate give it a rest PAL. Here I am been out at work all day, come on here for a bit of footie gossip to find you've hijacked every post with your usual s***e. Looks like you've spent all day on here. Why don't you do something worthwhile like go out and get yerself a job. Lighten up PAL.

UTS.

With respect my friend I do have a job but I dont work 24/7 and do have time out.

Your offensive personal attack is not appreciated by me and breaches the rules of engagement which you have to agree with when registering on this forum.

I dont understand what s^^^ I have posted on this thread or today so if the moderators fail to impose the rules on you could I suggest you create a relevant non abusive O/T thread appropriate to the content of your derogatory, disparaging and abusive post.

What I find s*** is that the clubs employees were payed late again and there has been no apology made by the club or an explanation of why it occurred and what measures have been put in place to prevent it from reoccurring.

If you are truly a supporter of the club and care about its hard working employees I dont understand where you are coming from.

Do you know for a fact that there has been no apology to the players? Surely they are the ones that need the apology for late payment not the fans.

[Knightrider]

Do you know for a fact that there has been no apology to the players? Surely they are the ones that need the apology for late payment not the fans.

Do you know for a fact there has been no apology to the players or that they have received an apology PAL

My understanding is that the biggest cost of operating any football club are its players wages and that any income generated by the clubs operations is used to pay these. A main source of this income at home games comes from the home supporters.

If the club values its customers and wishes to increase its home support then surely they deserve an apology, an explanation of how it occurred and what measures have been put in place to ensure all the clubs employees are not payed late again - not just those directly impacted (the employees) and the shareholders at the AGM.

Another key question has been asked regarding this thread on how the late payment got out into the public domain but sadly the mushroom principle appears to apply to key questions on this forum.

[Freez]

I take your point, it is worth asking the question, and it's frustrating not getting an answer when officials have been on here recently.
However, it is just a fans message board, perhaps this needs asking at the fans forum after the Meeting on the 13 December?
Hopefully all will become a little clearer then?

[Knightrider]

Knightrider, I asked who is us, after you asked a question of another member about another thread you started about a five year plan, so the answer was required by YOU, as you asked the question. Not the the town, the city, its resident population.
I understand you want an answer, he has answered.

With respect I answered your question regarding who I was referring to by us

I stopped participating in the Business plan thread I created due to the abuse/personal attacks and non enforcement of the forum rules by moderators and did some research on a thread provided by the school yard bully here Gnasher which revealed that he was using another monicker Phoenix and is called Brian Sheldon and despised a councillor called Evelyn Archer. But most revealing was the information provided by his victims of his vile abuse Trinity and Truth who unbelievably appear to have been denied any further access to the forum.

As the evidence shows Rod responded to my question but did not answer so sadly I find your comment adds no value to a thread which no doubt was created by a poster whose intent was to engage in friendly civilised debate on as serious issue regarding the clubs operations with the purpose of obtaining some answers.

I support the author of this thread and sadly for the club I find your final sentence nonsense and disrespectful.

[Freez]

With respect, which part is nonsense and disrespectful to the club? That's your opinion, I don't believe it is in this context.
I support the author of this thread also. Night.

[Keith]

But most revealing was the information provided by his victims of his vile abuse Trinity and Truth who unbelievably appear to have been denied any further access to the forum.

Just to be clear, neither "Trinity" or "Truth" have been denied access to the forum.

[Knightrider]

But most revealing was the information provided by his victims of his vile abuse Trinity and Truth who unbelievably appear to have been denied any further access to the forum.

Just to be clear, neither "Trinity" or "Truth" have been denied access to the forum.

Well Mr Site Admin I read everyone of their posts and they received exactly the same vile abusive responses as I have here and you did not apply the rules. They appear to have totally stopped posting so that is why I believe with the skulduggery practised here you and your associates were responsible for that.

Interestingly I rechecked the links provided by Mr Sheldon on this thread which I used to do my research and they now dont work - just another glitch
http://www.giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoices/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23922&hilit=who+is+knightrider

If you really do care about the club PAL you and your associates really do need to change things on this toxic forum and apply the commendable rules of engagement notified when you register.

I certainly would not wish to pay the attendance fee at the Globe knowing the possibility that I could be sat/stood next to vile abusers who in my opinion bring the club into disrepute and damage any chances of increasing the fan base. Even Club management recognise the serious negative effect of this forum.

The culture here and the management culture at the club is in my opinion the same, something the new owners need to change if the desire is to increase home support and save the club.

[Seasider9601]

They appear to have totally stopped posting so that is why I believe with the skulduggery practised here you and your associates were responsible for that.

With respect, MANY users have stopped posting on here of late and in recent years.

It doesn't mean to say they have been banned sir, or stopped posting.

Many, just choose not to post on SV and just read the threads.

In my opinion of course. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Knightrider]

They appear to have totally stopped posting so that is why I believe with the skulduggery practised here you and your associates were responsible for that.

With respect, MANY users have stopped posting on here of late and in recent years.

It doesn't mean to say they have been banned sir, or stopped posting.

Many, just choose not to post on SV and just read the threads.

In my opinion of course. Correct me if I'm wrong.

After my research of the posts contained in the link provided by Mr Sheldon aka as Phoenix and Gnasher and others???? on this forum I visited the Winter Gardens and asked Evelyn Archer before she passed away about Mr Sheldon and she told me her interesting side of the story, the confrontation she had with Sheldon and who Truth and Trinity were and where they lived.

I spoke to both Truth and Trinity who informed me they were no longer able to access the forum due to being blocked - their passwords had been changed they believed by Site Admin.

Which begs the question how many other posters on this forum have received the same treatment?

[Gnasher]

[Knightrider]

After my research of the posts contained in the link provided by Mr Sheldon aka as Phoenix and Gnasher and others???? on this forum I visited the Winter Gardens and asked Evelyn Archer before she passed away about Mr Sheldon and she told me her interesting side of the story, the confrontation she had with Sheldon and who Truth and Trinity were and where they lived.

I spoke to both Truth and Trinity who informed me they were no longer able to access the forum due to being blocked - their passwords had been changed they believed by Site Admin.

Which begs the question how many other posters on this forum have received the same treatment?

How convenient you spoke to a deceased councillor before she died and she remembered me from so many years ago, despite never knowing my name. The deceased seem to be a convenient topic of yours recently.

I did not despise councillor Archer, I didn't like some of the things she did and I would liked to have seen the WG re-opened, or demolished, long ago. At the time we met, she had her views, I had mine. It's a free world and within reason, I'm allowed to give my views but I also listened to hers. I don't despise any of the other councillors for objecting to the relief road which has paved the way for Mussel World.

Some of the posts you mention are hard to find unless you know the keywords to look for so you must have a note of them from somewhere yet you've only recently registered on the forum. Damned good Ouija board you must have.

I wondered how long it would take my stalker to appear and it is a pity that this serious issue thread has been derailed and taken off topic.

Firstly Mr Sheldon thank you for providing the links of T&T posts which enabled my research and contact with both of them and Evelyn Archer. In total I spent just over three hours with the three of them and have learnt more about whos who on this forum and the town than I have in all the 35 years I have lived here. It has enabled me to join the dots and see the big picture.

I am still researching the vast amount of information they provided and so far have found everything they told me to be true.

You confronted Evelyn in the Arndale in your usual disrespectful aggressive manner, remember this Brian
(and no I'm not Plain Peter); sadly nothing changes; some of your opinions and views on this forum I do agree with like your views on Morecambe Town Council which despite approaching 2 million in town residents funding added no value and alot of controversy with the Bigreddog/Christie the Cat now in the chair, but many I dont. But I respect your opinion - there lies the difference between us.

Re: OFF TOPIC - LOCAL POLITICS - You Have Been Warned!
Postby Plain Peter » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:47 pm

Brian - just thinking aloud.
Perhaps the lack of response to your letters could be due to what the recipent might consider to be aggressive content, which if replied to would only be picked up on by you for even greater aggressive scribbling.

and she recollected every detail and told me you were shocked when in response she called you Mr Sheldon as she had been tipped off you were coming. This forum is well read in the town. especially by local politicians.

I am not going to reveal to you what they told me on this forum as those conversations were in private and I dont trust you or those who run this forum but I am sure you and your associates know everything I now know.

I note that Evelyns passing and her commendable actions as a public servant sadly have not been recognised on this forum in an O/T thread. The Winter Gardens was here baby and she saved it from demolition by getting it listed like she did Morecambe Town Hall. She has been instrumental in preserving alot of Morecambes heritage which I appreciate.

She was devastated by the total lack of financial and non financial support from the City and Town Council and queried why the football club got the financial and non financial support from the City Council and the Winter Gardens got nothing after the Friends and Trust bought the building from previous owners Barnfield Construction who received over a million pounds of public funding to refurbish the external envelope of the building without any business plan! She also was aggrieved that none of the 1.5 million the City Council received from MFC Ltd for the Westgate land sale was not put back into Morecambe and none of it went to the Winter Gardens. Despite this though she was not bitter about the football club.

An amazing lady who was passionate and cared about Morecambe and its community - RIP

[Gnasher]

[Knightrider]

Despite not joining this thread until my details were posted, I'm the vile stalker? You need help Truth.

The facts you have dug up are all available online, you have found nothing new which puts your conversation into question. They can only be found using known keywords from ancient conversations in Google, or they've been saved from the past. Either way, to find them needs historic knowledge of the original posts.

Yes, you really need help.

P.S. There is one thing I agree with, Truth's password was changed. Very very few would know that and I'd go so far as to say only those involved

Thanks for confirming further that what T&T told me was true - that your brothers changed the password

Its dead easy to research the key information here - just do a search on your and your associates posts on this forum

Brothers in arms in dire straights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oakm9-vjo

[Knightrider]

But most revealing was the information provided by his victims of his vile abuse Trinity and Truth who unbelievably appear to have been denied any further access to the forum.

Just to be clear, neither "Trinity" or "Truth" have been denied access to the forum.

And your brother in arms has confirmed that your statement about Truth is a travesty of the truth. No doubt you did the same to Trinity

No doubt I will be your next victim? - your actions brothers, in my opinion, bring the club into disrepute

[Gnasher]

[Slanester]

And your brother in arms has confirmed that your statement about Truth is a travesty of the truth. No doubt you did the same to Trinity

No doubt I will be your next victim? - your actions brothers, in my opinion, bring the club into disrepute[/quote]
I said their passwords had been changed, which they were at one time. That does not mean they were denied access to the forum and they subsequently posted. Keith was factually correct, time for an apology.[/quote][/quote]

Gnasher, I don’t know you from Adam, and the same applies to K. Unfortunately we have both fallen into the same “trap.” We have let him get under our skin, and reacting, just what he wants, to his tedious, negative , self opinionated, I’m smarter than you, love the sound of my own voice, posts. I feel that, the only way to deal with it, is to completely ignore them.
Await the stock reply.........vile, toxic, don’t know where you are coming from, poor me, blah, blah.
Save your energy k. This is my last response to anything you post. You will reply, something on the lines, that you are suited by that. I know that isn’t true though. Fire goes out without fuel.
Gnasher, obviously not trying to tell you what to do, hope you don’t mind my intrusion. Just my assessment of the Knightrider saga.

[Knightrider]

But most revealing was the information provided by his victims of his vile abuse Trinity and Truth who unbelievably appear to have been denied any further access to the forum.

Just to be clear, neither "Trinity" or "Truth" have been denied access to the forum.

And your brother in arms has confirmed that your statement about Truth is a travesty of the truth. No doubt you did the same to Trinity

No doubt I will be your next victim? - your actions brothers, in my opinion, bring the club into disrepute

I said their passwords had been changed, which they were at one time. That does not mean they were denied access to the forum and they subsequently posted. Keith was factually correct, time for an apology.

Have your brothers Keith Fitton Mr Site Admin and Posh Michael Gibson delegated that you, Sianeunclesfester and redrobo be their spokesman now? Just asking like.

I believe what I was told by T & T that those who control this forum changed their passwords it was done to deny them access

Having spoken to T&T who told me what they know I can understand the reason for the disgraceful and deplorable oppressive action but freedom of speech is not respected by you and your brothers is it?

The evidence of that is apparent when you come across the closed threads and former posters such as T&T who claim they had their passwords changed and were no longer able to re-register through their IP address.

So PAL for that reason until you provide me with good reason for apologising I have no intention of doing so.