P/T Indie wrote:I see the far left of Labour are still in denial if it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious.
This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Then there is the great labour giveaway did they just rock up in a student bar and ask people what free stuff they want? Even my 7 year old would be able to work out at some point someone has to pay for all this.
I also don't undertsnd how renationalisation would work are they suddenly going to turn round to all these large companies and say sorry but you have to give your companies up? I agree things like the railways should have never been nationalised in the first place but it's to late to reverse it now.
Then there is the whole momentum issue and the far left ruling the party which your average center left person doesn't want.
All this and that's without even going into the whole national security, IRA, Jews etc I won't even go into that because a lot of that might be a media circus.
In a way Labour needed wipping out to kill of Corbyn and his cronies once and for all and for everyones sake go back to the party they once were but it seems the far left still don't get it and are hanging on.
If people aren't happy with the way thigs are well they need to blame the far left of Labour it's because of them we have not had a strong opposition, why so many people feel politically homeless and why the Tories have had free reign for so long.
Boris is an opportunist and he saw that Labour had abandonded a lot of it's voters in the heartlands and he's pounced.
Interestingly in my consistency Tim Farron in Westmorland and Lonsdale increased his majority by circa 100% for the Liberal Democrats. A rare success for the party. and something that to date the media hasn't picked up on.
P/T Indie wrote:This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Keith wrote:P/T Indie wrote:This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Dianne Abbott?
P/T Indie wrote:I see the far left of Labour are still in denial if it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious.
This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Then there is the great labour giveaway did they just rock up in a student bar and ask people what free stuff they want? Even my 7 year old would be able to work out at some point someone has to pay for all this.
I also don't undertsnd how renationalisation would work are they suddenly going to turn round to all these large companies and say sorry but you have to give your companies up? I agree things like the railways should have never been nationalised in the first place but it's to late to reverse it now.
Then there is the whole momentum issue and the far left ruling the party which your average center left person doesn't want.
All this and that's without even going into the whole national security, IRA, Jews etc I won't even go into that because a lot of that might be a media circus.
In a way Labour needed wipping out to kill of Corbyn and his cronies once and for all and for everyones sake go back to the party they once were but it seems the far left still don't get it and are hanging on.
If people aren't happy with the way thigs are well they need to blame the far left of Labour it's because of them we have not had a strong opposition, why so many people feel politically homeless and why the Tories have had free reign for so long.
Boris is an opportunist and he saw that Labour had abandonded a lot of it's voters in the heartlands and he's pounced.
Keith wrote:P/T Indie wrote:This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Dianne Abbott?
P/T Indie wrote:I see the far left of Labour are still in denial if it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious.
This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Then there is the great labour giveaway did they just rock up in a student bar and ask people what free stuff they want? Even my 7 year old would be able to work out at some point someone has to pay for all this.
I also don't undertsnd how renationalisation would work are they suddenly going to turn round to all these large companies and say sorry but you have to give your companies up? I agree things like the railways should have never been nationalised in the first place but it's to late to reverse it now.
Then there is the whole momentum issue and the far left ruling the party which your average center left person doesn't want.
All this and that's without even going into the whole national security, IRA, Jews etc I won't even go into that because a lot of that might be a media circus.
In a way Labour needed wipping out to kill of Corbyn and his cronies once and for all and for everyones sake go back to the party they once were but it seems the far left still don't get it and are hanging on.
If people aren't happy with the way thigs are well they need to blame the far left of Labour it's because of them we have not had a strong opposition, why so many people feel politically homeless and why the Tories have had free reign for so long.
Boris is an opportunist and he saw that Labour had abandonded a lot of it's voters in the heartlands and he's pounced.
Ispyshrimp wrote:Some forget it was Labours over spending and failure to stop the banks offering loans/mortgages on houses which doubled in value over a 12 to 18 month period which led to the financial mess and the recession with a hard last 9 years to try and put things right.
Keith wrote:Well, they forget it because that's not how it happened!
KenH wrote:Keith wrote:Well, they forget it because that's not how it happened!
Brown continually lengthened his "economic cycle" as he borrowed/spent too much and it took far longer than he planned to get the deficit back under control.
His tax credits were a disaster - far too generous to people who didn't need them, which along with unlimited housing benefits helped cause inflation, particularly house price/rent inflation.
His tax policies were a disaster. Tax evasion rocketed under his years, he messed up the introduction of IR35, he gave tax breaks to small limited companies which was completely unnecessary and totally missed the target when huge numbers of window cleaners, odd job men etc converted from being a sole trader to a limited company.
All his years of growth were just an illusion, backed by borrowings, including ruinious PFI deals that NHS trusts will be paying for decades to come.
He sold off huge amounts of the country's gold reserves at historically low prices.
Whether or not the financial crash had happened, the UK were in a terrible financial state before it happened. In the event, it was a brilliant excuse so Brown could blame his financial mismanagement on a global issue. He'd have had nowhere to hid if the crash hadn't happened.
redrobo wrote:After nine years of the Tories 'working hard' to destroy public services
Utter and complete rubbish.....
Why would any Government whatever its colour do that.....knowing full well the public outcry there would be and the humiliation it would receive in any General Election....
And as for the Labour Party's outcry about the press, did you not see the interview between Boris and Andrew Marr where AM didn't allow Boris to answer any of his questions....
Never mind another probable 10 years to get over it....
redrobo wrote:After nine years of the Tories 'working hard' to destroy public services
Utter and complete rubbish.....
Why would any Government whatever its colour do that.....knowing full well the public outcry there would be and the humiliation it would receive in any General Election....
Ispyshrimp wrote:Some harsh decisions needed to be made however if they hadn't of been things would have only got worse.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:Keith wrote:P/T Indie wrote:This wasn't just Brexit this was also to do with John McDonnell and Dianne Abbot the thought of Dianne Abbot been foreign secretary is enough to scare anyone into voting Tory.
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Dianne Abbott?
She has made what could be described as racist statements in the past about white people being the problem in the UK.
She has advocated an open borders policy of allowing anyone into the country.
Ispyshrimp wrote:given someone like myself that struggled on the back of Labours poor management of the economy, I'm a long time forgiving
redrobo wrote:For me, the Labour manifesto wanted to do too much too soon.
Instead of concentrating their campaign on a couple of topics they kept introducing more and more 'sweeteners' in an effort to win support from a diverse electorate.
Maybe whoever takes over will be far more centrist in their approach rather than follow an agenda that for too many was too far left. However with Momentum having so much pull and power in the party I fear that the lessons of this week may not be taken on board and that a right wing government will rule for the next 10 years if not longer.
The thought of Rebecca Bailey taking over is frightening for the parties future....
redrobo wrote:After nine years of the Tories 'working hard' to destroy public services
Utter and complete rubbish.....
Why would any Government whatever its colour do that.....knowing full well the public outcry there would be and the humiliation it would receive in any General Election....
Ispyshrimp wrote:redrobo wrote:After nine years of the Tories 'working hard' to destroy public services
Utter and complete rubbish.....
Why would any Government whatever its colour do that.....knowing full well the public outcry there would be and the humiliation it would receive in any General Election....
And as for the Labour Party's outcry about the press, did you not see the interview between Boris and Andrew Marr where AM didn't allow Boris to answer any of his questions....
Never mind another probable 10 years to get over it....
Spot on
I think the Torys have got some harsh flack for the way in which they have tried to balance the books.
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