Gone_Shrimping wrote:Wild Bill wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:Here's another perspective. My brother , trade union member all his life and usually a Labour voter had a visit from a Labour canvasser just before the election. He told the canvasser that if he thought Corbyn and McDonnell were right in their heads then he wasn't. The canvasser said something like "I don't think we can count on you then" to which the reply was "No you can f*** off with Corbyn" !!
That's not actually that different from other perspectives offered in this thread, other than the unnecessary use of foul language (by your brother, that is).
I think a lot of Labour canvassers got similar messages from the electorate during the campaign.
And this for me is quite sad. I have a lot of respect for activists that give up their time and go door knocking in the hope of a reasoned discussion on real issues. The fact that many had already made up their mind (often from only consuming information from media sources) and using bad language to avoid a real discussion is a poor reflection of our society.[/quote]
I think debate and discussion between people of different persuasions has turned nasty since Corbyn and McDonnell took over the Labour party with all the £3 members. Some of the threats of violence etc have made it very unpleasant.
Hopefully it may return to a more civilised debate again when Corbyn and McDonnell have been banished but it depends on whether they are replaced with more people like them or whether they go back to normal leadership.[/quote]
It goes back way before Corbyn & McDonnell. Social media is a big part of it, with keyboard warriors hiding behind internet anonymity, but I remember probably over 10 years ago our local Tory party sending out a leaflet for a local election that had nothing about their policies and just slagged off the main competition, i.e. the Lib Dems, and i have refused even to consider voting for them at local level on that basis since.