Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Actually David is spot on here. I know of a few people who have received a telephone call from a doctor in the last week along the lines of would you wish to be on the DNR list if you were to fall ill with Coronavirus and they were quite upset.
Keith wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Actually David is spot on here. I know of a few people who have received a telephone call from a doctor in the last week along the lines of would you wish to be on the DNR list if you were to fall ill with Coronavirus and they were quite upset.
Yeah, far better to wait until they are in hospital, on a ventilator, going to die but with no family or friends with them.
I've had that conversation with elderly people and/or their families many times. When I was managing the EMI unit, as part of the admission process I would talk to the individual if they had awareness still, or their family, or both about the person's wishes. I never, ever found someone getting upset about it and in every occasion the older person had already thought about it, but often never spoken to anyone because they didn't want to upset their family members. On more than one occasion, the individual said that it was a relief to be able to talk about their wishes.
The one thing that we can absolutely guarantee happening, is the one thing we avoid talking about. Morris has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Perhaps if he & his government funded palliative care properly it would be less of an issue?
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I think it should be a clinical decision by the doctor rather than thrown out to relatives who are not in the clear frame of mind for such a decision.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I think it should be a clinical decision by the doctor rather than thrown out to relatives who are not in the clear frame of mind for such a decision.
KenH wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:I think it should be a clinical decision by the doctor rather than thrown out to relatives who are not in the clear frame of mind for such a decision.
Given my experiences of mistakes at the hands of doctors, I wouldn't give them absolute power like that. Just have a read at the "whistle in the wind" book written by an ex RLI consultant re the incompetence and laziness amongst doctors and hospital management. I'd never allow them such powers without proper engagement with the family AND second opinions etc.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:Keith wrote:...as part of the admission process I would talk to the individual if they had awareness still, or their family, or both about the person's wishes. I never, ever found someone getting upset about it and in every occasion the older person had already thought about it, but often never spoken to anyone because they didn't want to upset their family members. On more than one occasion, the individual said that it was a relief to be able to talk about their wishes.
I think it should be a clinical decision by the doctor rather than thrown out to relatives who are not in the clear frame of mind for such a decision.
KenH wrote:Given my experiences of mistakes at the hands of doctors, I wouldn't give them absolute power like that. Just have a read at the "whistle in the wind" book written by an ex RLI consultant re the incompetence and laziness amongst doctors and hospital management. I'd never allow them such powers without proper engagement with the family AND second opinions etc.
Keith wrote:KenH wrote:Given my experiences of mistakes at the hands of doctors, I wouldn't give them absolute power like that. Just have a read at the "whistle in the wind" book written by an ex RLI consultant re the incompetence and laziness amongst doctors and hospital management. I'd never allow them such powers without proper engagement with the family AND second opinions etc.
Whistle in the Wind is an excellent, yet frightening book. I think every student doctor or nurse and all hospital managers should read this book. Peter Duffy is now working as a Consultant Urologist here on the Isle of Man. Morecambe Bay Trust's loss is very much our gain. I've spoken to a few people over here who have met or worked with him and all speak highly. Definitely read it and if possible, hold the Trust's management to account.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Whistle-Wind-d ... 07VMDP6YD/
BerlinWaller wrote:Coun Edwards is the co owner of The Boardwalk which is a major sponsor of the club.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:David Morris is not in trouble with anyone. He is entitled to his opinion and people will agree with what he said and some won't. He shoots from the lip [sic].
Posh wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:David Morris is not in trouble with anyone. He is entitled to his opinion and people will agree with what he said and some won't. He shoots from the lip [sic].
He is in trouble. I've never seen people turn against him as strongly as his recent actions. Even diehard Tories. Even Daily Mail readers in their thousands in their comments section thought he was behaving despicably.
As for "shooting from the lip". This wasn't a random comment in answer to a question that slipped out in error. This was premeditated phone call to The Daily Mail, orchestrated with Edwards to get Dr Andy Knox fired.
Because you're a die-hard Conservative you think Morris is above criticism.
What's your view on Morris taking £10,000 to ask questions in the House of Commons on behalf of a company?
What's your view on Morris taking £10,000 in personal donations from a director of the company Alexander Temerko, who used to be a senior officer in the Russian Defence Ministry and is still wanted on charges on corruption, theft and forgery, as well as allegations of being a Kremlin spy (Temerko described the late Pavel Grachev, the Russian defence minister of the early 1990s, as his “handler.”).
Does the fact that a Russian citizen is constantly buying the favours of your MP bother you?
Gone_Shrimping wrote:A lot of people agreed with him over Knox and I want my MP to speak out over important issues.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:Do you remember the Headteacher at West End School who made a claim on TV that children in Morecambe were suffering from Rickets ? Well it was later proven by the Health Authority that not only were there no cases of Rickets in Morecambe but that the nearest cases of Rickets were actually in Manchester. I do not recall Red Sioban apologising for telling what was a blatant lie.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:How do you feel about Labour MPs sponsored by Trade Unions asking questions for them , is that so different.
Posh wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Coun Edwards is the co owner of The Boardwalk which is a major sponsor of the club.
Oh, that's alright then. Crack on Edwards. Write to newspapers and get GPs fired, get head teachers fired and even annoy your own Conservative colleagues so much that they leave. https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/new ... ion-571960. You've chucked Morecambe FC a few quid, so that puts you above criticism.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:There is a procedure in Parliament regarding donations so if Morris has transgressed he will have to face the consequences.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:If GPs and Headteachers are engaging in politics
Gone_Shrimping wrote:You seem to think all the Labour MPs are some sort of White Knights riding to the rescue of the downtrodden workers when the opposite is true and they have their snouts in the trough just like the other side.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I may have got her school wrong but she went on TV telling lies about Rickets being rife in Morecambe children etc etc.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:There is a procedure in Parliament regarding donations so if Morris has transgressed he will have to face the consequences.
BerlinWaller wrote:Posh wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Coun Edwards is the co owner of The Boardwalk which is a major sponsor of the club.
Oh, that's alright then. Crack on Edwards. Write to newspapers and get GPs fired, get head teachers fired and even annoy your own Conservative colleagues so much that they leave. https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/new ... ion-571960. You've chucked Morecambe FC a few quid, so that puts you above criticism.
Not sure where I condoned his actions or said it's ok because he throws a few quid at the club but hey ho, carry on.
Posh wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:A lot of people agreed with him over Knox and I want my MP to speak out over important issues.
No they didn't. I've just gone over the Facebook comments on Morecambe & Heysham Past & Present and found three people out of over 100.
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