I-follow ruins football it seems

[shrimp in cyprus]

Can no longer watch the games and now locked out of D A's interview post Cambridge.

What the f**k is going on? Does i-follow dictate the whole of EFL and all the clubs therein.

Enough as far as I'm concerned.

TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP.

[Freez]

I sympathise, but it’s the other way round, all these new dictates are from the EFL to be implemented by IFollow, and you aren’t the first to complain believe me, but it’s the EFL insisting IFollow tow the line.

[Vinny]

But why should Derek's interview be locked?

[Freez]

I am trying to find out, it’s shouldn’t be, but they (The EFL) have insisted on changing just about every permission since last season, probably due to the games being live on video in this country. Which used to be the case only for abroad, but now they are messing about with it!

[shrimp in cyprus]

Freez - thanks for your input.

I guess that whilst we are all living what are comparatively grey lives at the moment, small things annoy us more than they normally would.
On the plus side, some small things can amuse and please us more than normally. For instance, over here in Cyprus we have an area in the garden dedicated to fruit (including quite a big strawberry patch). In the middle of the patch we have a small table with a parasol and a couple of chairs. I often sit there with a glass of wine, phone my brother in the UK, and tell him that I am having a drink in the The Strawberry Gardens.

That used to be the nearest watering hole to where we lived in Heysham, so it brings a smile to both our faces. Small things!!!!

[redrobo]

I am trying to find out, it’s shouldn’t be, but they (The EFL) have insisted on changing just about every permission since last season, probably due to the games being live on video in this country. Which used to be the case only for abroad, but now they are messing about with it!

Maybe the EFL should concentrate on getting the financial deal with the Premiership sorted that would help clubs such as ours rather than being petty and making life even more miserable for us the fans....but tell me a time when they put fans before their own self interest....

[Freez]

I live about 50 yards from your garden then?

[shrimp in cyprus]

Blimey Freez. That's pretty close.

Me - I was brought up in Lister Grove and lived there until I went off to Uni. Mum and Dad lived there until they passed away a few years ago.

Had several friends in the area (Knowlys Rd etc) that I used to play football with.

Small world really.

Now if only the EFL and i-follow can get things sorted, we could all be one big happy family!!

[BerlinWaller]

A good explanation to how Ifollow splits the income.

https://twitter.com/mikemccarthy/status ... 24417?s=09

[Keith]

It's the iFollow (or whoever is doing tomorrow night's broadcast) that may make the difference to us surviving or not. Probably in excess of 60,000 passes at £4 each. £240k from one game. iFollow could be the saviour of the club. Even if fans aren't allowed in for the rest of the season, with this and the rest of the iFollow money, we won't be too far off what we'd get at the turnstiles, possibly even more.

If everyone subscribes to all our home League games, the club would get £8 from each £10 fee. That's a long way towards our survival.

[redrobo]

It's the iFollow (or whoever is doing tomorrow night's broadcast) that may make the difference to us surviving or not. Probably in excess of 60,000 passes at £4 each. £240k from one game. iFollow could be the saviour of the club. Even if fans aren't allowed in for the rest of the season, with this and the rest of the iFollow money, we won't be too far off what we'd get at the turnstiles, possibly even more.

If everyone subscribes to all our home League games, the club would get £8 from each £10 fee. That's a long way towards our survival.

As has seems likely fans will not be allowed back into Stadiums into well in the New Year (if at all this season) I've already written off the money for my season ticket so for me the club can keep the money as I'm benefiting from watching games through iFollow or what other means I may have to watch games.

So looks like it is into 2021 before we get back to attending live games...

[marky No.1]

It's the iFollow (or whoever is doing tomorrow night's broadcast) that may make the difference to us surviving or not. Probably in excess of 60,000 passes at £4 each. £240k from one game. iFollow could be the saviour of the club. Even if fans aren't allowed in for the rest of the season, with this and the rest of the iFollow money, we won't be too far off what we'd get at the turnstiles, possibly even more.

If everyone subscribes to all our home League games, the club would get £8 from each £10 fee. That's a long way towards our survival.

You would assume our 600 season ticket holders, if at all possible, will be watching tomorrow night. Quite a few families/households will have more than one season ticket like myself and no doubt your best mate you havnt seen for some time will be knocking on your door trying to get a free view rather than pay the tenner, even if they are now not allowed to with the new restrictions.
Not so sure that a group of ours that watched the Grimsby game together will be doing the same for this game

Assuming Newcastle fans will be adhering to the distancing/household rules there are potentially thousands of them paying a tenner each.
Will the Toon look at it as not being important, or will they want to watch the potential demise of Steve Bruce?

[redrobo]

Let's hope that iFollow continue into the foreseeable future with its £10 a game that could well be a money earner for clubs. After all it would cost more than a tenner to go to an away game which if the scheme continues could encourage more fans to watch an away game which could see the away team benefit from a pay back by iFollow.

There will be a financial loss over a season for clubs but maybe not a bad as some predict IF the EFL sort out its current dispute with the Premiership AND continue with showing matches for £10.....

[marky No.1]

A good explanation to how Ifollow splits the income.

https://twitter.com/mikemccarthy/status ... 24417?s=09

Indeed it does
https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/septemb ... 7U_qFnAhUg

[BerlinWaller]

Keith should work for SAGE with the figures he just plucked out of the sky.

Andy Holt has been on about how IFollow will widen the gap between them that have and them that don't.

[tim-sanchez]

Keith should work for SAGE with the figures he just plucked out of the sky.

Andy Holt has been on about how IFollow will widen the gap between them that have and them that don't.

The Carabao Cup fixture isn't on iFollow so I think the revenues are being split 50/50. In the League, it's a home/away split that massively benefits the bigger teams.

[Bare bum]

So, has anybody actually seen Derek's interview about the Cambridge match? What's he say?

[BerlinWaller]

Keith should work for SAGE with the figures he just plucked out of the sky.

Andy Holt has been on about how IFollow will widen the gap between them that have and them that don't.

The Carabao Cup fixture isn't on iFollow so I think the revenues are being split 50/50. In the League, it's a home/away split that massively benefits the bigger teams.

Sorry, wasn't sure about who was showing the game tomorrow night and I thought Keith said Ifollow would be our saviour when according to Andy Holt and Colchester, it clearly isn't.

[Morecambe Jack]

I think it is very naive to think that a significant proportion of people will be paying £10 a game to watch through iFollow. I'm not sure if Freez gets the viewing statistics? Sure, a lot of season ticket holders will take what they are given in lieu of attending games, but it isn't the same watching the game on your own at home (in a lot of cases, with the new guidance from tonight) and that will reflect in the number of people paying. Within our 600 or so season ticket holders, how many are families who will clearly only buy one pass?

Colchester sold 452 ifollow passes for their game with Bolton (presumably excluding season ticket holders?). Their average attendance last year was 3,634. Bolton sold 2,252 for the same game, and their home attendance average was 11,551. You'd probably expect these numbers to fall after opening day novelty.

For away games this year we are likely to receive no income at all, as the first 500 sold go to the home club. I can't see us selling more than 500 for most games. Conversely for our home games, we will only receive the income from the first 500 - so money spinners like Bradford, Bolton etc will all yield much lower income. Potentially there may be more money generated from some of the less well-attended games - but only up to the cap of 500.

I've read on Tranmere's site that it is 70% rather than 80% that goes to the Club, which makes more sense as there must be VAT on the amount and iFollow won't be providing the service for free.

Newcastle of course is a different ball game - they have a significantly higher number of fans that would not normally attend games. It would be interesting to know what the final number of paying watchers are - I personally suspect it will be much lower than being banded around, but who knows.

[Freez]

Can I just clear something up.
IFollow is live tomorrow night for radio commentary only, the previous two games have been live video and commentary, however, Newcastle Utd being a Premiership team, they don’t have IFollow commentators, hence the tie has been dedicated to watch on the Carabao Cup stream tomorrow night, with commentary coming from a studio in London.Still £10 to all, so same as it was previous rounds.
However the gate receipts for this broadcast will be split 50/50 after the costs have been deducted in exactly the same way as the previous rounds, so having quite a few Geordies watching should give us a bit of income.
While IFollow isn’t the perfect answer to the current situation, the figure of the first 500 away fans subs passing to the home team is still better than nothing at all. And that’s the reality of it in the current situation, which, in the light of what’s happening today, is something, without which, we would get nothing and our long term future is unsustainable.
And as has been stated elsewhere, a few bad games and the subs for Bolton may well drop, in the same way attendances do when a team is on a poor run.
So those fans abroad who couldn’t watch previous rounds still can’t, but at least they get commentary.
And we used to get the stats on how many were online but this stopped a few seasons ago I’m afraid, so can’t help there, soz.

[Keith]

For away games this year we are likely to receive no income at all.

How much do we normally get from away games?

[marky No.1]

Rod was on Radio Lancs earlier, he said we had enough in the coffers to tide us over for a couple of months, without matchday income etc we will need handouts from somewhere

[Morecambe Jack]

For away games this year we are likely to receive no income at all.

How much do we normally get from away games?

My point is a collective one about our income during this period rather than isolating one point like that Keith. Clearly no income from away games now is the same as now income normally, but in the complete picture it is still a significantly worse position, quite obviously, than if fans were in the stadium.

Incidentally, the Club do receive a commission on away tickets sold but this is negligible.

[Keith]

For away games this year we are likely to receive no income at all.

How much do we normally get from away games?

My point is a collective one about our income during this period rather than isolating one point like that Keith. Clearly no income from away games now is the same as now income normally, but in the complete picture it is still a significantly worse position, quite obviously, than if fans were in the stadium.

Incidentally, the Club do receive a commission on away tickets sold but this is negligible.

And my point is, the cash from tonight's game will be a huge boost and the rest of the iFollow, because our crowds are small, while not directly compensating will make a big difference to our chances of survival. While the big clubs will make something from their away following, for the majority of clubs in League Two, we will get all the away iFollow passes that are sold. If [say] Exeter would have brought twenty fans on a Tuesday night in November, now sell 400 iFollow passes instead, we're actually better off from them.

More to the point, if there wasn't any iFollow money, imagine what our survival chances would be?

[Morecambe Jack]

I have never said tonight wouldn't be a big boost Keith so not sure why you are arguing with me?

I am saying that over the course of the full season (not individual games) the Club will lose out significantly. Yes on individual games like Exeter we might make slightly more (but 400 x £7 = £2,800, equates to what, 200 on the gate net of VAT?). For the bigger games where we really make the money, we are going to lose out significantly - Bradford for instance is a huge game for us (1,500 on the gate at, say, £15 is £22,500. 500 on ifollow at £7 is £3,500 - that blows your Exeter game well out of the water).

I have also never said the income is not welcomed, I'm just pointing the financial implications of us not having fans at the ground.