BerlinWaller wrote:Rather than put stuff like this up, research it yourself and make sure you know what you are on about before posting.
I do agree, but the irony in these words coming from you is staggering
BerlinWaller wrote:Rather than put stuff like this up, research it yourself and make sure you know what you are on about before posting.
shrimperteer wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Rather than put stuff like this up, research it yourself and make sure you know what you are on about before posting.
I do agree, but the irony in these words coming from you is staggering
BerlinWaller wrote:Keith wrote:Mortality rate is likely to be in the region of 0.5%, possibly less.
Probably around 60% will catch it.
That's about 195,000 people who will die due to COVID-19 and indeed, most will be elderly and/or with pre-existing conditions.
But, most of those 195,000 will be treated in hospital. As will about one million others who are admitted but recover. That would lead to many other people with 'recoverable conditions' dying unnecessarily, such as someone in a car crash who can't be admitted because ICU beds are all full.
That is the problem.
But what about the people dying at home from illness and disease because they can not get treatment due to Covid? The people taking their lives because of poor mental health, financial ruin and other issues resulting from lock downs.
Would the people who have sadly died in the spring have survived a flu season?
Are the hospitals full?
BerlinWaller wrote:shrimperteer wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Rather than put stuff like this up, research it yourself and make sure you know what you are on about before posting.
I do agree, but the irony in these words coming from you is staggering
Glad to see you here after another win as well. Must have missed your positive response on the match thread though.
BerlinWaller wrote:Sweden are doing ok aren't they?
redrobo wrote:One should never argue with our IoM guru....he knows best about everything....
lKeith wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Sweden are doing ok aren't they?
Do you get all your 'evidence' from Twitter?
No. Sweden are in a mess.Far more deaths & infections than neighbours Norway & Finland combined (which is a similar population & demographic).
Sweden: Population 10.3 million
Norway (5.4 million) + Finland (5.5 million): 10.9 million
Sweden COVID-19 Cases: 98,451
Norway (15,221) & Finland (11,580) COVID-19 Cases: 26,801
Sweden COVID-19 Deaths: 5,894
Norway (275) & Finland (346) COVID-19 Deaths: 621
Let's add Denmark in too, then you have all three countries that have a land border with Sweden ('Nordic' v Sweden)
Population: Sweden 10.3 million. 'Nordic' 16.7 million
Cases: Sweden 98,451. 'Nordic' 58,439
Deaths: Sweden 5,894. 'Nordic' 1,286
Around 62% higher population yet 60% fewer infections and one fifth of the deaths.
Perhaps you will be thinking more about the economy than the people?
Sweden's economy (GDP) -6.8% forecast in 2020
Denmark's economy (GDP) -6.5%
Norway's economy (GDP) -6.3%
Finland's economy (GDP) -6%
The worst performing infections. Worst performing deaths. Worst performing economy.
Now you have the facts, do you want to explain how well Sweden are doing?
https://covid19.who.int
https://www.nordeatrade.com/se/explore- ... al-context
BerlinWaller wrote:I get my information from people/ media who post on Twitter, is that not a valid resource Keith?
Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:One should never argue with our IoM guru....he knows best about everything....
Thing is, I don't know best about ANYTHING. And I know that I don't know best.
Because of that, I go and read the evidence from people who DO know best. I'll listen to the scientists & economists. I'll happily listen to contradictory evidence too. What I don't do, is give as much weight to someone on Twitter called 'ban the BBC' as the scientists who actually study this stuff properly. Check out the links I provided, interesting stuff.
And before Berlin Wailer comes back about how scientists don't know, 'cause they keep changing their mind' etc... Scientists change their opinion as they learn more. That's how science is supposed to work.
'Science doesn't know everything'
'Well, science knows it doesn't know everything. If it did, it would stop'.
BerlinWaller wrote:Sweden is largely back to normal, there is a crowd at the F1 in Germany and has been for footy games for the last few weeks but we are staring down the barrel of another lockdown. All for a virus that kills people over the age of the national life expectancy.
redrobo wrote:The same can be said about the Government but because they change the rules as the evidence changes they get slaughtered. Strange old world. All right for one sector to do it but for the Government....
Morecambe Jack wrote:As of yesterday there were 2,858 patients in English Hospitals with COVID-19 (NB: Many likely to have been there for other reasons and caught it in hospital) - approximately 3 per hospital. Only 357 were on mechanical ventilation - say one for every three hospitals. As of 1 October only 10% of occupied mechanical ventilator beds (occupied, not capacity) were used by COVID-19 patients. On the same date, only 1.8% of hospital beds occupied were from COVID-19 (again, occupied beds, not capacity).
I think its reasonable not to start scaremongering like Keith is doing at this stage.
Keith wrote:
When the government changes the rules on the basis of science AND CLEARLY COMMUNICATES THAT EVIDENCE I think most people would accept it. When the rules change because they suddenly realise that the "World Beating" Track & Trace system, that they gave millions of pounds to Dominic Cummings' friend, had fallen over because it had been written [very badly] on an Excel spreadsheet, they deserve absolutely panning!
Mark S wrote:Keith wrote:
When the government changes the rules on the basis of science AND CLEARLY COMMUNICATES THAT EVIDENCE I think most people would accept it. When the rules change because they suddenly realise that the "World Beating" Track & Trace system, that they gave millions of pounds to Dominic Cummings' friend, had fallen over because it had been written [very badly] on an Excel spreadsheet, they deserve absolutely panning!
It's Test & Trace, not Track & Trace. I know how you like to be accurate. Track & Trace is what the Post Office do to your parcels.
I will get back under my rock again now.
MFC-Manc wrote:In Australia 98% of people asked would take time off work if they had symptoms of COVID19, in the UK 10% said they would.....
Difference: Australia is offering full pay for people who are off with symptoms.
Only 1 in 5 people isolate when they should. (Symptoms, returning from holidays etc)
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