O/T Potential lock down?

[Phil Anderer]

Hi Keith, can you provide evidence and where you get your info please? You demand it from everybody else but I am yet to see you show anything to back up your stuff.

https://twitter.com/luigi_warren/status ... 74241?s=19


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/131 ... 35808?s=19

https://twitter.com/MihrThakar/status/1 ... 25600?s=19

https://twitter.com/jneill/status/13152 ... 00865?s=19


I am sorry that these are all from Twitter Keith but it is the modern way.

BW, Keith did put his references on by link. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can post on Twitter (even Trump). If it's not a definable reputable source, you should try cross referencing with say a reputable media outlet.

[Keith]

Thanks Phil... As you say, anyone can post anything on Twitter.

Hi Keith, can you provide evidence and where you get your info please? You demand it from everybody else but I am yet to see you show anything to back up your stuff.

It is literally in the posts. You even quoted one of my posts, including the references, but you are "yet to see" any evidence? It's little wonder you stick to Twitter if even a post on Shrimpsvoices is too long for you to read properly?

Here you go, from your own post...

https://covid19.who.int
https://www.nordeatrade.com/se/explore- ... al-context

I get my information from people/ media who post on Twitter, is that not a valid resource Keith?

Sweden is largely back to normal, there is a crowd at the F1 in Germany and has been for footy games for the last few weeks but we are staring down the barrel of another lockdown. All for a virus that kills people over the age of the national life expectancy.

[Phil Anderer]

Unfortunately nowadays too many people are getting their 'news' from Tw@tter and Fakebook, where it's so easy for Trump's fake news, and others like it, usually conspiracy theories from extreme right or left, to proliferate and people believe because it's on there it's legitimate, when so often it isn't. I'll stick to my moderate, well-established media sources for news.

[Wild Bill]

So, the dashboard lights are all flashing in the cockpit. Things have all become very serious again.

But what will save 10,000s of unnecessary deaths?

Stop people meeting their mates in the pub and get them to meet in gardens instead.

Disaster averted

[redrobo]

National short term lock down then we are in it together.

Interesting how the Government keep saying we take the advice of the experts BUT when told that the measures they have now put in place are not good enough they choose not to go with the science.

And the Labour shower haven't the balls to come up with an alternative other than to turn everything into a political swipe. No bloody wonder people have lost faith with all parties.

[KenH]

National short term lock down then we are in it together.

Interesting how the Government keep saying we take the advice of the experts BUT when told that the measures they have now put in place are not good enough they choose not to go with the science.

And the Labour shower haven't the balls to come up with an alternative other than to turn everything into a political swipe. No bloody wonder people have lost faith with all parties.

2 problems with a national "short term" lock down. Firstly, we'd have to close borders for the long term, otherwise it would come back in from abroad. Secondly, what about all the people who can't "lock down", such as emergency workers, doctors/nurses, emergency tradesmen, food supply chain/shops, fuel garages, public transport for nurses etc. etc. etc? You simply wouldn't eradicate it because so many people would still be working, travelling, coming into contact with people, etc.

Back in March, we probably had something close to a 2 week lockdown. The closures etc went far beyond what was planned. Such as some shops and garages closed down unnecessarily because they weren't "essential" and started opening up again mid April when they realised they needn't have closed in the first place - some shops didn't open until May or June. That last week of March and first week of April was quiet everywhere - deserted roads, deserted town centres, etc. Yet it took until June to see numbers fall back right down to low levels - i.e. more like 2 months rather than 2 weeks!

[redrobo]

People are very quick to argue against suggestions but when asked to offer an alternative have nothing to say.....such as the Shadow Minister of Health for one...

[Wild Bill]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

[Keith]

People are very quick to argue against suggestions but when asked to offer an alternative have nothing to say.....such as the Shadow Minister of Health for one...

You mean the Labour suggestion of listening to scientists rather than Prime Minister Dominic Cummings? You appear to be more 'anti-Labour' who aren't in power, than blame the party that are?

[mrpotatohead]

What does your Son in laws wifes dad think will happen next Neil?

[Phil Anderer]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'

[Gone_Shrimping]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'

Did you see the scum that were Dominic Cummings's neighbours ? Swearing in his face at a very unsocial distance when he returned home , no wonder he didn't want to isolate there. He didn't actually flout any restrictions as the Durham Constabulary confirmed. He and his wife both had symptoms so they went to a safe place with their young child to isolate for the required period. They did not stop at Motorway service stations etc , they went straight to a deserted building at his parents farm , which is in the middle of nowhere by the way.

Contrast that with Stephen Kinnock driving from Wales to London to a birthday party for Neil , and he is still an MP I think.

[redrobo]

The 'keep your distance rule' is basically a joke. On narrow pavements and with traffic hurtling past you on the road it's a case of take your life in your hands as you have to negotiate others on the pavement by stepping into the road.

We recently returned from a holiday in Wales and spent a few hours in Betws y Coed where the pavements are very narrow and the only way to keep both 1m and 2m distance between others was to use the road way to get past. Not much fun when you've got a massive truck hurtling down the road in your direction.

So whilst it's a Government instruction in reality it's almost impossible.

However in open spaces it is possible unless you are one of the mindless idiots who live in Liverpool and don't think about others other than their own desire to 'party' before the lock down of pubs etc.

[Phil Anderer]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'

Did you see the scum that were Dominic Cummings's neighbours ? Swearing in his face at a very unsocial distance when he returned home , no wonder he didn't want to isolate there. He didn't actually flout any restrictions as the Durham Constabulary confirmed. He and his wife both had symptoms so they went to a safe place with their young child to isolate for the required period. They did not stop at Motorway service stations etc , they went straight to a deserted building at his parents farm , which is in the middle of nowhere by the way.

Contrast that with Stephen Kinnock driving from Wales to London to a birthday party for Neil , and he is still an MP I think.

I don't know anything about Neil Kinnock or Cummings's neighbours (this latter being frankly irrelevant), but I was aware of the police saying he wasn't in breach of the rules. Unfortunately 1. By the time that came out many had already made up their minds. 2. Travelling from London to County Durham to stay in his parents' holiday let smacked of white privilege. 3. It was a strict reading of the rules and on the face of it not in the spirit of the rules. 4. There have been subsequent calls for a further investigation as many people still believe it was wrong. All these combined helped to turn many of the public away from their support for Covid-19 measures - not, I would hasten to add, me, and I continue to be appalled at the lax approach of the majority of people I see in public (not necessarily the majority of people, as many will be keeping safe in other ways, e.g. by not going out).

[Freez]

Mr Cummings and his family did flaunt the “do not travel” unless absolutely necessary instructions. FACT. They also claimed it was for childcare, but they had closer family members than 250 miles. FACT.
He then spouted some bullshit about testing his eyesight by driving from Durham to Barnard Castle, the second flaunting of the advise he gave out, and went for a walk, despite having symptoms! FACT.

But that’s all ok!
Police have said that if Cummings had been stopped enroute, they would have insisted he returned to London immediately.
And that bastion of smugness, Michael Gove, agreed that Cummings had clearly broken the lockdown Regs, but accepted his excuse.
And before someone says it, Kinnock is a pillock like his dad.

Just to clarify.

[Keith]

He didn't actually flout any restrictions as the Durham Constabulary confirmed. He and his wife both had symptoms so they went to a safe place with their young child to isolate for the required period. They did not stop at Motorway service stations etc , they went straight to a deserted building at his parents farm , which is in the middle of nowhere by the way.

Did Durham Constabulary also confirm that the best way to test your eyesight is to go for a drive with your wife and children?

Also, a Land Rover Discovery Sport can't do a return trip from London to Durham, with an eye-test 80 miles on top, on one tank of fuel. When asked if he stopped for fuel, he said he "can not remember". I don't know about you, but I've been on a motorway, driving on fumes, wondering if I'd make it to the next service station. It was very stressful. I'm pretty sure I would have recalled that anxiety a week later. I'd definitely have remembered if my vehicle managed about fifty or more miles without any fuel at all.

It takes more than five hours to drive from London to Durham, probably closer to six. Neither Dominic, or his wife, or his four year old child needed to go to the toilet during those six hours? That's impressive!

I'd have to say that I had thought his blatant lying was the most incredible part of this story. Now I'm more amazed that some people actually bought in to it!

[redrobo]

One thing this Cummings business proves is that there are scum bags of every political colour.

Mind you the female Scottish MP who traveled for London to Scotland by train the other week was more likely to spread the virus than Cummings....

[KenH]

The 'keep your distance rule' is basically a joke. On narrow pavements and with traffic hurtling past you on the road it's a case of take your life in your hands as you have to negotiate others on the pavement by stepping into the road.

Yes, there are places when 2 metres is difficult, but far too many people don't make any attempt to stay apart from others even when there is plenty of space - wide footpaths, wide aisles in shops/shopping centres, etc. No excuse for it at all, and it puts vulnerable people at risk for no reason.

[Wild Bill]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'

No longer do folk keep a 2m distance in public places. Whether it was officially scrapped or not is pretty irrelevant as the message now is truly lost on the general public. Let's face it, it was done purely on economic grounds and you go to a supermarket now and hardly anyone now keeps their distance at all. I don't really think wearing a mask is a safe as keeping two metres and Chris Witty has said multiple times that their effect is pretty minimal.

The Cummings affair certainly didn't help, but for me it's the flip flopping, nuancing, loopholes, lack of clear messaging and rules for businesses that is causing a lot of the problems we are seeing now.

I sat in a Wetherspoons beer garden the other day across the table from a mate with a two foot table in-between. We were surrounded by other drinkers and it was rammed.

[Phil Anderer]

I think things started to go wrong when they scrapped the two metre rule. It would make a lot of sense to return to this and stick with it for the long term. Obviously it will have an impact on businesses but allow them to stay open and where necessary offer some financial support.

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'

No longer do folk keep a 2m distance in public places. Whether it was officially scrapped or not is pretty irrelevant as the message now is truly lost on the general public. Let's face it, it was done purely on economic grounds and you go to a supermarket now and hardly anyone now keeps their distance at all. I don't really think wearing a mask is a safe as keeping two metres and Chris Witty has said multiple times that their effect is pretty minimal.

The Cummings affair certainly didn't help, but for me it's the flip flopping, nuancing, loopholes, lack of clear messaging and rules for businesses that is causing a lot of the problems we are seeing now.

I sat in a Wetherspoons beer garden the other day across the table from a mate with a two foot table in-between. We were surrounded by other drinkers and it was rammed.

I quite agree about 2m being ignored even when there's space. In Whitby the other day there was a group of 6, all morbidly obese and therefore high risk if they did catch it, walking up a narrow street 3 abreast leaving no room for anyone else and no masks to boot. I think a major thing that gets lost in translation with masks is they're not there to protect you but everyone else, if you've got it but don't know.

[Gone_Shrimping]

They haven't actually scrapped it, so much as allowed flexibility as long as mask wearing is implemented. The advice is still that, wherever possible, keep 2 metres apart, it's just this isn't adequately communicated/observed (not sure which in that score). I think the first major failure in this government's handling of the crisis was when Cominic Dummings didn't get sacked for his apparent (regardless of the excuses he gave) flouting of the restrictions. It just made half the country think 'well, if they don't have to follow the rules, why should we?'[/quote]

Did you see the scum that were Dominic Cummings's neighbours ? Swearing in his face at a very unsocial distance when he returned home , no wonder he didn't want to isolate there. He didn't actually flout any restrictions as the Durham Constabulary confirmed. He and his wife both had symptoms so they went to a safe place with their young child to isolate for the required period. They did not stop at Motorway service stations etc , they went straight to a deserted building at his parents farm , which is in the middle of nowhere by the way.

Contrast that with Stephen Kinnock driving from Wales to London to a birthday party for Neil , and he is still an MP I think.[/quote]

I don't know anything about Neil Kinnock or Cummings's neighbours (this latter being frankly irrelevant), but I was aware of the police saying he wasn't in breach of the rules. Unfortunately 1. By the time that came out many had already made up their minds. 2. Travelling from London to County Durham to stay in his parents' holiday let smacked of white privilege. 3. It was a strict reading of the rules and on the face of it not in the spirit of the rules. 4. There have been subsequent calls for a further investigation as many people still believe it was wrong. All these combined helped to turn many of the public away from their support for Covid-19 measures - not, I would hasten to add, me, and I continue to be appalled at the lax approach of the majority of people I see in public (not necessarily the majority of people, as many will be keeping safe in other ways, e.g. by not going out).[/quote]


Very few of the country's population had even heard of Dominic Cummings or knew anything about him or cared whether he had driven to a safe isolation to protect his young son.
It was orchestrated by the Remainers who thought they could still stop Brexit if they could remove Dominic , also the Snowflakes and the Virtue Signallers joined in helped by the Labour Party of which their current MPs are the dregs of society , whatever happened to decent ones like Harold Wilson , Roy Jenkins , Austin Mitchell etc etc. Fortunately Boris for once stood firm and refused to sack him , he would have lost my vote if he had done.

[Freez]

You forgot over 40 sitting Conservative MPs condemning Cummings, including Gove and Hunt, funny that!

[Keith]

Very few of the country's population had even heard of Dominic Cummings or knew anything about him or cared whether he had driven to a safe isolation to protect his young son.
It was orchestrated by the Remainers who thought they could still stop Brexit if they could remove Dominic , also the Snowflakes and the Virtue Signallers joined in helped by the Labour Party of which their current MPs are the dregs of society , whatever happened to decent ones like Harold Wilson , Roy Jenkins , Austin Mitchell etc etc. Fortunately Boris for once stood firm and refused to sack him , he would have lost my vote if he had done.

To be fair, Johnson could hardly sack his boss, could he? I'm taking it that you don't mind being lied to by the ruling elite? Well, obviously not, you voted for a know, proven, repeated liar.

Either that or you believe Cummings fairy story? If you do believe him, please drop me a Personal Message... I've got a Nigerian Prince who I think you'd like to meet.

[Posh]

Gone Shrimping would clearly defend Dominic Cummings if he was caught shagging a goat by saying he got lost in the dark and lost his trousers in a freak gust of wind.

The fact that the two homes Cummings and his sister lived in and owned it turns out were built illegally without planning permission and haven’t paid council tax they should have paid for 18 years will be seen as merely an oversight by Blinkers Shrimping.

Now both homes on council tax register as they should have been but miraculously avoids £30,000 of payments. Awaits ‘all politicians’ comment to excuse Cummings.

No wonder his neighbours hate him. They just have to do things like pay their way in society.

[morecambegeek]

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... n-cottage/

Just seen that Posh. I wonder why he never mentioned he owned the house at the time?