Are we going back?

Re: Are we going back?

Postby Bare bum » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:16 pm

Quite telling that some people in the UK are more concerned with the unlawful killing by a USA Policeman of a man convicted of armed robbery and drug dealing than they are when a British Soldier (Lee Rigby) is beheaded in broad daylight in a London street by Islamic terrorists.
Also quite telling how some people are taken in by the people digging up lawns , blocking off roads and stopping ambulances , before they get picked up by mum and dad in the Range Rover and then going home and switching up the central heating.





Also quite telling how some people can make sweeping generalisations and sweeping assumptions about what other people are more concerned with.

And do you switch up the central heating when you've been out on a protest? I'm usually all warm and rosy when I've been out on the streets banging my placard. I usually get Smythers to run a coolish bath for me.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:39 pm

Nothing sweeping there. I would say a pretty accurate assessment of the British left. Can't win elections even when they cheat.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Freez » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:49 pm

Kerching

No agenda, MY ARSE! :D
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Martin » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:46 pm

marky No.1 wrote:Nick Hancock all over tv today, even appeared to face Piers this morning after 200 days and is now hosting the CV update.
With Boris isolating and his advisors gone it seems like a new chapter.
Meanwhile 53 pupils have tested positive at Sedbergh School


That's quite a promotion. Last time I saw him, he was hosting "They Think It's all Over"
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:55 am

Martin wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:Nick Hancock all over tv today, even appeared to face Piers this morning after 200 days and is now hosting the CV update.
With Boris isolating and his advisors gone it seems like a new chapter.
Meanwhile 53 pupils have tested positive at Sedbergh School


That's quite a promotion. Last time I saw him, he was hosting "They Think It's all Over"


:lol: :lol:

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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:40 am

Freez wrote:Kerching

No agenda, MY ARSE! :D



The fishing is great here. Reeling them in :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Martin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:45 am

marky No.1 wrote:
Martin wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:Nick Hancock all over tv today, even appeared to face Piers this morning after 200 days and is now hosting the CV update.
With Boris isolating and his advisors gone it seems like a new chapter.
Meanwhile 53 pupils have tested positive at Sedbergh School


That's quite a promotion. Last time I saw him, he was hosting "They Think It's all Over"


:lol: :lol:

I will Gloss over that


:lol: :lol:
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Bare bum » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:21 pm

The fishing is great here. Reeling them in :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Really?
Just having a laugh / poking fun / fishing - whilst referencing Lee Rigby's horrendous murder?

You're not coming over very well here.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:09 pm

Still biting , that's a Geek and a Bare Bum in the keepnet :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby redrobo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:26 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:Still biting , that's a Geek and a Bare Bum in the keepnet :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nice one...... :lol: :lol: :lol: just hope that they are not those slippery eels.... ;)
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Freez » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:59 pm

Hilarious! Oh how we laughed!! What a jape!
:lol:

I suspected an agenda, Gone Shrimping denied it, He then exposes that agenda in subsequent posts, I point that out, and strangely I’m the one reeled in? :D

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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Westgate Wanderer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Thinks he's starting to flounder :D
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Bare bum » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:25 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Still biting , that's a Geek and a Bare Bum in the keepnet :lol: :lol: :lol:


redrobo sniggered
Nice one...... :lol: :lol: :lol: just hope that they are not those slippery eels....



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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Freez wrote:Hilarious! Oh how we laughed!! What a jape!
:lol:

I suspected an agenda, Gone Shrimping denies it. ( Lying Tory anyone :roll: ) He then exposes that agenda in subsequent posts, I point that out, and strangely I’m the one reeled in? :D

As if!!



I think you have become very confused about any "agenda"

All I pointed out was that the British Left-wing was much more concerned about an American policeman who unlawfully killed a convicted armed robber and drug-dealer than they were about the beheading of Lee Rigby in broad daylight on a British Street.

Be grateful if you could remove the "lying" reference as well. People who disagree with your views are not necessarily liars.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby MFC-Manc » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Looks like we could.... be going back before Christmas.... hopefully
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Freez » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 pm

Agenda - , list, plan or outline of something! That’s my understanding.
My comment about an agenda was based upon one particular sentence you used.
You denied you had an agenda.
Then you unveiled it in your sweeping and offensive statements. So you did have an agenda, saying you hadn’t wasn’t true, again in my opinion.
I pointed out that, and you made out it was funny and you were reeling me in, fair enough. Bollocks in my opinion but there you go.
I have edited my above comments as requested as it was ill judged and for that I apologise.

We are supposed to be on a football and other stuff forum, I would class myself as a tolerant person, and I don’t agree with your views but will defend your right to offend me with them! :D

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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Freez » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:17 pm

Regarding the return of fans to the stadium, it sounds hopeful, and we all wish it could happen ASAP.
However, a couple of red tops have Matt Hancock summising that lockdown may continue for longer than Dec 2 today, and the statement re fans in grounds is saying a limited number in Tier 1 and possibly Tier 2 areas could be allowed under strict guidelines.
The current system employed for Tiers relies on ruling authority areas, as we are Lancs, Blackburn and Preston are still astronomically high, Lancaster is the lowest in Lancs and has been throughout almost.
Businesses in Lancaster are campaigning to be classed on the R rate currently, thus hopefully separating us from the rest of COVID Lancs, let’s hope they are successful, otherwise we may well be stuck post lockdown in Tier 3, lumped in with Knob End, Rovers and the Dingles!! :D
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Phil Anderer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:22 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Freez wrote:Hilarious! Oh how we laughed!! What a jape!
:lol:

I suspected an agenda, Gone Shrimping denies it. ( Lying Tory anyone :roll: ) He then exposes that agenda in subsequent posts, I point that out, and strangely I’m the one reeled in? :D

As if!!



I think you have become very confused about any "agenda"

All I pointed out was that the British Left-wing was much more concerned about an American policeman who unlawfully killed a convicted armed robber and drug-dealer than they were about the beheading of Lee Rigby in broad daylight on a British Street.

Be grateful if you could remove the "lying" reference as well. People who disagree with your views are not necessarily liars.


What evidence have you for anyone being more concerned about George Floyd's death than Lee Rigby's? The biggest differences are George Floyd was killed by a policeman this year, while Lee Rigby was killed by terrorists 7 years ago. I don't see anyone defending Lee Rigby's killers, particularly on here, nor did they then, as far as I'm aware (I've slept since then).
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:36 pm

Phil Anderer wrote:
Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Freez wrote:Hilarious! Oh how we laughed!! What a jape!
:lol:

I suspected an agenda, Gone Shrimping denies it. ( Lying Tory anyone :roll: ) He then exposes that agenda in subsequent posts, I point that out, and strangely I’m the one reeled in? :D

As if!!



I think you have become very confused about any "agenda"

All I pointed out was that the British Left-wing was much more concerned about an American policeman who unlawfully killed a convicted armed robber and drug-dealer than they were about the beheading of Lee Rigby in broad daylight on a British Street.

Be grateful if you could remove the "lying" reference as well. People who disagree with your views are not necessarily liars.


What evidence have you for anyone being more concerned about George Floyd's death than Lee Rigby's? The biggest differences are George Floyd was killed by a policeman this year, while Lee Rigby was killed by terrorists 7 years ago. I don't see anyone defending Lee Rigby's killers, particularly on here, nor did they then, as far as I'm aware (I've slept since then).


I don't agree with your analysis or conclusions but as Freez said we are free to hold opinions so I shall consider this thread closed.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Phil Anderer » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:52 am

Gone_Shrimping wrote:I don't agree with your analysis or conclusions but as Freez said we are free to hold opinions so I shall consider this thread closed.


I shan't. I assume you object to my saying George Floyd was killed by a policeman, as there is nothing else there that might class as 'analysis' to be disagreed with in my book. If that is the case, here are the facts:

George Floyd died after a policeman knelt on his neck for several minutes (8 minutes 46 seconds, according to the New York Times, but that's in brackets as I'm presenting that as hearsay, not fact), whilst Floyd numerous times said he couldn't breathe. The policeman concerned has been charged with second degree murder, so I guess in the 'innocent until proven guilty' stakes I should refrain from calling him a killer unless and until he's convicted, should I :?:

I also questioned whether you had evidence that people care more about George Floyd than Lee Rigby, to which you have offered no response - presumably because no such evidence exists.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:38 am

Phil Anderer wrote:
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I don't agree with your analysis or conclusions but as Freez said we are free to hold opinions so I shall consider this thread closed.


I shan't. I assume you object to my saying George Floyd was killed by a policeman, as there is nothing else there that might class as 'analysis' to be disagreed with in my book. If that is the case, here are the facts:

George Floyd died after a policeman knelt on his neck for several minutes (8 minutes 46 seconds, according to the New York Times, but that's in brackets as I'm presenting that as hearsay, not fact), whilst Floyd numerous times said he couldn't breathe. The policeman concerned has been charged with second degree murder, so I guess in the 'innocent until proven guilty' stakes I should refrain from calling him a killer unless and until he's convicted, should I :?:

I also questioned whether you had evidence that people care more about George Floyd than Lee Rigby, to which you have offered no response - presumably because no such evidence exists.



If that's your opinion then good for you. I think it wise to wait for the trial of the policeman charged in the USA first. If the police are arresting someone with convictions for armed robbery then the Dixon of Dock Green approach may not be good for your health.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby BerlinWaller » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:39 am

Phil Anderer wrote:
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I don't agree with your analysis or conclusions but as Freez said we are free to hold opinions so I shall consider this thread closed.


I shan't. I assume you object to my saying George Floyd was killed by a policeman, as there is nothing else there that might class as 'analysis' to be disagreed with in my book. If that is the case, here are the facts:

George Floyd died after a policeman knelt on his neck for several minutes (8 minutes 46 seconds, according to the New York Times, but that's in brackets as I'm presenting that as hearsay, not fact), whilst Floyd numerous times said he couldn't breathe. The policeman concerned has been charged with second degree murder, so I guess in the 'innocent until proven guilty' stakes I should refrain from calling him a killer unless and until he's convicted, should I :?:

I also questioned whether you had evidence that people care more about George Floyd than Lee Rigby, to which you have offered no response - presumably because no such evidence exists.


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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Phil Anderer » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:
Phil Anderer wrote:
Gone_Shrimping wrote:I don't agree with your analysis or conclusions but as Freez said we are free to hold opinions so I shall consider this thread closed.


I shan't. I assume you object to my saying George Floyd was killed by a policeman, as there is nothing else there that might class as 'analysis' to be disagreed with in my book. If that is the case, here are the facts:

George Floyd died after a policeman knelt on his neck for several minutes (8 minutes 46 seconds, according to the New York Times, but that's in brackets as I'm presenting that as hearsay, not fact), whilst Floyd numerous times said he couldn't breathe. The policeman concerned has been charged with second degree murder, so I guess in the 'innocent until proven guilty' stakes I should refrain from calling him a killer unless and until he's convicted, should I :?:

I also questioned whether you had evidence that people care more about George Floyd than Lee Rigby, to which you have offered no response - presumably because no such evidence exists.



If that's your opinion then good for you. I think it wise to wait for the trial of the policeman charged in the USA first. If the police are arresting someone with convictions for armed robbery then the Dixon of Dock Green approach may not be good for your health.


My last words (I hope) on George Floyd, and then onto the bigger picture. Floyd was being arrested for allegedly using a counterfeit note, not armed robbery. The armed robbery occurred over 10 years earlier in a different state, so it's questionable whether the officers knew that. Also, I think it is generally accepted that Officer Chauvin was responsible for Floyd's death (i.e. he killed him), and the trial is to establish culpability and intent.

The bigger picture is that the Black Lives Matter protests were about so much more than George Floyd - his death was just the match that lit the fuse. It was about systemic racism in the police. It started in America, then got picked up oin the UK by a similarly named group, but one that does, in fact, unlike the American version, have a socialist agenda, and appears also to have been subject to attempts to hijack the movement by communist agitators. Nevertheless, the protests were about institutional racism. There were no such protests around the death of Lee Rigby, but why would there be? How do you effectively protest against terrorism? If you do, you're actually creating a superb opportunity for those terrorists to attack and kill dozens, if not hundreds. If it were state-sponsored terrorism, and you were protesting say outside the embassy of the country sponsoring the terrorism, then OK, but I don't believe there was any evidence of Lee Rigby's killers being 'state-sponsored terrorists'. At this point the whole analogy between George Floyd and Lee Rigby falls down, because there is frankly no meaningful comparison.
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Freez » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:31 pm

What he said! :D
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Re: Are we going back?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:04 pm

I shan't. I assume you object to my saying George Floyd was killed by a policeman, as there is nothing else there that might class as 'analysis' to be disagreed with in my book. If that is the case, here are the facts:

George Floyd died after a policeman knelt on his neck for several minutes (8 minutes 46 seconds, according to the New York Times, but that's in brackets as I'm presenting that as hearsay, not fact), whilst Floyd numerous times said he couldn't breathe. The policeman concerned has been charged with second degree murder, so I guess in the 'innocent until proven guilty' stakes I should refrain from calling him a killer unless and until he's convicted, should I :?:

I also questioned whether you had evidence that people care more about George Floyd than Lee Rigby, to which you have offered no response - presumably because no such evidence exists.[/quote]


If that's your opinion then good for you. I think it wise to wait for the trial of the policeman charged in the USA first. If the police are arresting someone with convictions for armed robbery then the Dixon of Dock Green approach may not be good for your health.[/quote]

My last words (I hope) on George Floyd, and then onto the bigger picture. Floyd was being arrested for allegedly using a counterfeit note, not armed robbery. The armed robbery occurred over 10 years earlier in a different state, so it's questionable whether the officers knew that. Also, I think it is generally accepted that Officer Chauvin was responsible for Floyd's death (i.e. he killed him), and the trial is to establish culpability and intent.

The bigger picture is that the Black Lives Matter protests were about so much more than George Floyd - his death was just the match that lit the fuse. It was about systemic racism in the police. It started in America, then got picked up oin the UK by a similarly named group, but one that does, in fact, unlike the American version, have a socialist agenda, and appears also to have been subject to attempts to hijack the movement by communist agitators. Nevertheless, the protests were about institutional racism. There were no such protests around the death of Lee Rigby, but why would there be? How do you effectively protest against terrorism? If you do, you're actually creating a superb opportunity for those terrorists to attack and kill dozens, if not hundreds. If it were state-sponsored terrorism, and you were protesting say outside the embassy of the country sponsoring the terrorism, then OK, but I don't believe there was any evidence of Lee Rigby's killers being 'state-sponsored terrorists'. At this point the whole analogy between George Floyd and Lee Rigby falls down, because there is frankly no meaningful comparison.[/quote]


Of course they would have known he had a conviction for armed robbery. In any case it's second nature for American criminals to carry guns , so saying to this guy "Your nicked Floyd , it's a fair cop" is likely to end badly for the officer. There isn't an issue that he was killed by the officer so it is up to a court of law to decide on his guilt. The BLM movement in this country has been hijacked by Marxists , not of the Groucho variety and I don't agree with football being used for political purposes. It was always said that no political gestures were allowed. Was it UEFA or FIFA who tried to prevent the England football team having the red poppy on the shirt ? Night after night the BBC news led on the George Floyd killing , and yet when several people were knifed to death in France recently by an Islamic terrorist it was hard to find anything on the BBC news about it until the very end.
Lee Rigby was beheaded in the most gruesome fashion in broad daylight by Islamic terrorists. I think it was what Corbyn and McDonnell used to call "an incident". The BBC finds it very difficult to call such "incidents" murders and terrorism.
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