Keith wrote:The club could [and in my opinion, should] have suspended Songo'o pending investigation. In employment law, suspension is a neutral act, designed to protect the employer and employee. It would have given the club some control over the situation, for example, a response to the BBC. We can expect this to become a story and the club is left looking poor.
We could/should have acted on Saturday.
redrobo wrote:Talk about being found guilty before been given a chance to explain.
redrobo wrote:Keith wrote:The club could [and in my opinion, should] have suspended Songo'o pending investigation.
In employment law, suspension is a neutral act, designed to protect the employer and employee.
It would have given the club some control over the situation, for example, a response to the BBC. We can expect this to become a story and the club is left looking poor.
We could/should have acted on Saturday.
Talk about being found guilty before been given a chance to explain.
marky wrote:redrobo wrote:Talk about being found guilty before been given a chance to explain.
Suspending the player pending an investigation isn't finding them guilty, it's standard employment disciplinary procedure. It protects the player as well as the employer, as it prevents further incidents. For example, a suspension would mean the player couldn't attend training sessions, which in such incidents is probably in their best interests in any case. Songo'o is being investigated for something that is actually a criminal offence under the Equality Act 2010. Under law, it is treated the same as other forms of discrimination/abuse (such as racism).
BerlinWaller wrote:I believe the club are reluctant to make a statement until they have seen the Referee's report.
marky wrote:redrobo wrote:Talk about being found guilty before been given a chance to explain.
I know I don't comment very often, but I feel I have to, here. Suspending the player pending an investigation isn't finding them guilty, it's standard employment disciplinary procedure. It protects the player as well as the employer, as it prevents further incidents. For example, a suspension would mean the player couldn't attend training sessions, which in such incidents is probably in their best interests in any case. Songo'o is being investigated for something that is actually a criminal offence under the Equality Act 2010. Under law, it is treated the same as other forms of discrimination/abuse (such as racism). My other team (Leeds) got it badly wrong with how they handled the Kiko Casilla racism investigation. I wouldn't want to see Morecambe make the same mistake.
Zippy wrote:I hope someone has got their arm round Yann and are counselling him . Whilst if the allegations are upheld sanction is inevitable and justifiable , it should also be proportionate and a learning from the event rather a mass finger pointing and pile on as seem to be favoured in some quarters . His welfare needs to be considered ', one slip of the tounge in the heat of battle ' should not be a career defining issue for him , but an opportunity to take stock , repurpose, and move forward a bit wiser.
RedRedWine wrote:If Yann Songo'o used the word 'faggot' as is alleged - then clearly this has no place on the football field (like a lot of words), and he should face an appropriate ban.
I completely agree that he should be suspended whilst the matter is being investigated, and we understand what was said and its intent. This would give the club the time it requires to deal with the matter appropriately.
In my opinion, it is disturbing how some quarters have quickly arrived at the conclusion (with very little evidence, only their own individual interpretation of limited audio/video) that seemingly Yann's intent in using this word is almost definitely a pre-meditated homophobic attack against somebody else (who may or may not be a homosexual) - which obviously would be a criminal offense, rather than a poor choice of words. The rush to victimise Yann, for what could be a genuine mistake that he now regrets, is a bit too much at this stage. Lets wait and see what the club and Yann have to say before passing too much judgement.
This word can be a homophobic slur, but it is also has other uses/meanings and is generally used as distasteful insult. Like it or not, it appears in one of the nations favourite Christmas songs (apart from BBC Radio 1) - and in doing so has no reference to homosexuality that I am aware of.
Keith wrote:Zippy wrote:I hope someone has got their arm round Yann and are counselling him . Whilst if the allegations are upheld sanction is inevitable and justifiable , it should also be proportionate and a learning from the event rather a mass finger pointing and pile on as seem to be favoured in some quarters . His welfare needs to be considered ', one slip of the tounge in the heat of battle ' should not be a career defining issue for him , but an opportunity to take stock , repurpose, and move forward a bit wiser.
Yes, but equally, a response and some movement needs to happen quickly.
Either...
Songo'o flatly denies the incident, or he accepts he used the word.
If it is a flat denial, then why not say so?
If he accepts the word was used, then issue a complete & sincere apology and start the process of 'fixing' this.
Silence on the matter is really not helpful.
RedRedWine wrote:If Yann Songo'o used the word 'faggot' as is alleged - then clearly this has no place on the football field (like a lot of words), and he should face an appropriate ban.
I completely agree that he should be suspended whilst the matter is being investigated, and we understand what was said and its intent. This would give the club the time it requires to deal with the matter appropriately.
In my opinion, it is disturbing how some quarters have quickly arrived at the conclusion (with very little evidence, only their own individual interpretation of limited audio/video) that seemingly Yann's intent in using this word is almost definitely a pre-meditated homophobic attack against somebody else (who may or may not be a homosexual) - which obviously would be a criminal offense, rather than a poor choice of words. The rush to incriminate Yann, for what could be a genuine mistake that he now regrets, is a bit too much at this stage. Lets wait and see what the club and Yann have to say before passing too much judgement.
This word can be a homophobic slur, but it is also has other uses/meanings and is generally used as distasteful insult. Like it or not, it appears in one of the nations favourite Christmas songs (apart from BBC Radio 1) - and in doing so has no reference to homosexuality that I am aware of.
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