TWISSY SHOULD HE STAY OR SHOULD HE GO?

[northstandshrimp2009]

Just dont think that Michael Twiss is upto The League 2 Standard of Football.He is no doubt a Class Conference player but not quick enough to play in League2.My personal opinion and from other Fans is that MFC should let him go to a Conference Club .Hes slow and has got into some good positions and messed things up which could have led to goals

[Number 1]

Been done to death has this debate, but if it's going to be resurrected again, FWIW, I would say for what he's paid, get someone new in. He's been a good player for us, mainly in his formative years here, but for me, I don't think he cuts the mustard anymore, yet someone younger and up and coming, would be better value.

[steve mfc]

Just dont think that Michael Twiss is upto The League 2 Standard of Football.He is no doubt a Class Conference player but not quick enough to play in League2.My personal opinion and from other Fans is that MFC should let him go to a Conference Club .Hes slow and has got into some good positions and messed things up which could have led to goals

We all have opinions about players abilities and if they should be offered contracts or not, but is it fair to the players to discuss them on this forum, personally i don't think it is.

At the end of the day its Sammy's decision to make so what ever we think is neither here or there, and im not having a go at you for starting this thread, but maybe its better to discuss individual players after they have left the club.

[Number 1]

We all have opinions about players abilities and if they should be offered contracts or not, but is it fair to the players to discuss them on this forum, personally i don't think it is.

At the end of the day its Sammy's decision to make so what ever we think is neither here or there, and im not having a go at you for starting this thread, but maybe its better to discuss individual players after they have left the club.

Are you having a giraffe? This is a Morecambe FC discussion board. If we don't discuss Morecambe FC players, what's the point of the board? This is exactly the place to discuss them. If they choose to read the board, that's up to them. They're professional footballers in the public eye and as such will stimulate debate about them. If they didn't want to be talked about, they should get an office job and remain anonymous.

[steve mfc]

We all have opinions about players abilities and if they should be offered contracts or not, but is it fair to the players to discuss them on this forum, personally i don't think it is.

At the end of the day its Sammy's decision to make so what ever we think is neither here or there, and im not having a go at you for starting this thread, but maybe its better to discuss individual players after they have left the club.

Are you having a giraffe? This is a Morecambe FC discussion board. If we don't discuss Morecambe FC players, what's the point of the board? This is exactly the place to discuss them. If they choose to read the board, that's up to them. They're professional footballers in the public eye and as such will stimulate debate about them. If they didn't want to be talked about, they should get an office job and remain anonymous.

Well again this is just my opinion if a player pulls on the shirt and gives 100% for the team then they deserve a bit of respect. Yes its up to the players if they look at this forum, but its not exactly good for their confidence is it having their own fans highlighting their deficiencies.

[PUNKISDEAD]

Do not like this post one bit

twissy is a legend for MFC,

Whatever life is chucking at him at the moment, he entitled to 100 pr cent support from real morecambe fans as opposed to being sent to the knackers yard!!

He will probably read this board and any true shrimps fan should refrain from negative shite about him if they have any sense!!!

[james456]

We all have opinions about players abilities and if they should be offered contracts or not, but is it fair to the players to discuss them on this forum, personally i don't think it is.

At the end of the day its Sammy's decision to make so what ever we think is neither here or there, and im not having a go at you for starting this thread, but maybe its better to discuss individual players after they have left the club.

Are you having a giraffe? This is a Morecambe FC discussion board. If we don't discuss Morecambe FC players, what's the point of the board? This is exactly the place to discuss them. If they choose to read the board, that's up to them. They're professional footballers in the public eye and as such will stimulate debate about them. If they didn't want to be talked about, they should get an office job and remain anonymous.

Well again this is just my opinion if a player pulls on the shirt and gives 100% for the team then they deserve a bit of respect. Yes its up to the players if they look at this forum, but its not exactly good for their confidence is it having their own fans highlighting their deficiencies.

Whats the point in this forum if we're all just going to come here and all agree that everyone is fantastic. The players are professionals and its their problem if they make the decision to read this and can't deal with it.

Besides, this forum is one of the best of all league 2 messageboards. The fans of other clubs abuse players and management online at every opportunity. You need a bit of a thick skin to be a pro footballer.

As for Twiss, he's an alright team player but has lost the confidence he needs to be a great one.

[steve mfc]

Whats the point in this forum if we're all just going to come here and all agree that everyone is fantastic. The players are professionals and its their problem if they make the decision to read this and can't deal with it.

Besides, this forum is one of the best of all league 2 messageboards. The fans of other clubs abuse players and management online at every opportunity. You need a bit of a thick skin to be a pro footballer.

As for Twiss, he's an alright team player but has lost the confidence he needs to be a great one.[/quote]

If this is a great message board why are we disscussing which players should be let go before the season is even finished, two games to go and we even have a chance of reaching the playoffs even if it is a slim one, so shall we get behind the players, no we will tell them that they are not good enough and they will have to go, great timing, great board ?.

[durhamshrimp]

Not really sure how constructive this thread is.

For the record though I'd say stay. Obviously.

[Hodgie]

Look at the facts guys,Twissy is not same player he was.
Morecambe legend?? Yes
Time to move on?? yes
A couple of weeks ago there was a thread about which players would you offer new contracts to.
What is the differents?
Infact if you look at all the other league 2 messaege boards,you will see that they are talking about next seasons ins and outs.

some fans would rather talk about pointless dribble on here than the real MORECAMBE FOOTBALL CLUB issues.

[George Dawes]

its getting annoying this subject

keep him he missed for the half of the season, and i would like anybody on here to name any forward/midfielder at our club who's been consistent all season

people are expecting to much off him, he's still adjusting to L2 just like Drummond Hunter Stanley Curtis etc etc

[james456]

Just look at the Bradford city forum and see what goes on there if you think this is bad.

[Heysham_Shrimp]

If we were 1-0 down with 10 minutes to play and on the bench there was McStay , Hunter and Twiss who would you bring on that might change the game in our favour?

He has a contract to June 2010 so the answer to the question posed is STAY.

[Mark S]

If we were 1-0 down with 10 minutes to play and on the bench there was McStay , Hunter and Twiss who would you bring on that might change the game in our favour?

He has a contract to June 2010 so the answer to the question posed is STAY.

My thoughts exactly!

Poor Twissy has has one bad game and he is being hung out to dry. He has improved immensley this season on last. He still has a lot to offer!

Besides, he is my Son's all time favourite player!

[Christies Child]

Been done to death has this debate, but if it's going to be resurrected again, FWIW, I would say for what he's paid, get someone new in. He's been a good player for us, mainly in his formative years here, but for me, I don't think he cuts the mustard anymore, yet someone younger and up and coming, would be better value.

..and you are aware of what he gets paid?

There may be speculation as there is about other players but there is nothing to confirm what the salaries are to individuals within the club.

Even the annual statement of accounts only provides details of the total salary expenditure for the entire club.

[The Fury]

its getting annoying this subject

keep him he missed for the half of the season, and i would like anybody on here to name any forward/midfielder at our club who's been consistent all season

people are expecting to much off him, he's still adjusting to L2 just like Drummond Hunter Stanley Curtis etc etc

Drummond, adjusting? He's been in League Two since 2004!

I can't see a problem with this thread. Otherwise, what is the point of a forum? It’s not disrespectful to have a discussion.

I think Michael Twiss has possibly been the greatest Morecambe player I've ever seen. Sadly, we haven't seen the best from him for a while. He had a brief revival when he got back into the team but it has, regrettably, fizzled out. There are number of reasons for this I feel:-

1. Natural loss of pace in aging. Previously, he’d need to beat one man with a burst of pace and his skill would do the rest. He can’t beat that first man regularly enough anymore, in my view.
2. Personal issues which, in this case, would be disrespectful to expand upon.
3. Loss of confidence in ability. I can’t remember the last time I saw him have a go from outside the box, which used to be his forte.

Also, I feel that, in the prime of his career, Twissy was woefully mismanaged by Sammy. 2004/2005, Twissy’s debut season, he was played as an out and out striker and produced 27 goals. When Sammy replaced Jim in November 2005, he only seldom deployed Twissy as a striker and Twissy’s versatility, I think, went against him, as he was used repeatedly as a wide player or in the hole. Even considering this, the number of goals he scored was impressive. I think it could have been much more if Sammy had better valued him. That’s not really relevant to the discussion, however; just something I’ve thought for a while.

[ezz]

I think Steve's point is the fact that his whole thread is just about whether Twiss should stay or go, why not just join in on the plentiful contract debating threads already made instead of making this one.
To answer the question i'd have him stay unless we could find someone younger with just as much talent.

[SkinnyShrimp]

Michael Twiss is one of the most talented players in our squad - ask any opposition fan who they would fear from our team - yes the list is very short admittedly, but you can bet Michael’s name would be high on that list from most
On his day it obvious he could play at a higher standard than league 2- the problem is he hasn't had many days since we were promoted.
My opinion is Michael played a massive part in getting us up and I think he is well worthy of a place in the team.
If he stays fit and gets a good pre-season under his belt there is every chance he will remind us next season why many think he is a Morecambe legend

We need Michael Twiss at Morecambe end of.

[simmy]

We all know that there will be players leaving at the end of the season to allow Sammy and Mark to bring in new players who will hopefully improve the team.

In my opinion the players who have played regularly during the recent good run have all proved themselves capable of performing at League 2 level and therefore deserve to be retained. I think we are in a stonger position now than we were at the start of this season and do not need to make too many additions in order to progress further.

I would imagine that we will lose one of our three goalkeepers and Rene is due to return to Peterborough. Blinks and Michael Howard have suffered with injuries and because of this may be next in line to leave, but who knows the plans other than Sammy and Mark

Twissy is no longer the player that we all remember. However, he has played an important part in our success this season and is under contract until the end of next season. I therefore think he should and deserves to stay.

[SW London Shrimp]

I haven't looked up the stats on this so this is just my opinion, but it seemed to me that our long run of unbeaten games started around the time that Twissy returned to the line up after his injury. It may just have been a coincidence that the team's form picked up at the same time or maybe he did play a major part in lifting the side. Certainly the teams with Twissy I saw against Aldershot and Dagenham & Redbridge looked an awful lot better than the ones without Twissy I saw against Notts County and Luton.

So I think he should stay.

[james456]

its getting annoying this subject

keep him he missed for the half of the season, and i would like anybody on here to name any forward/midfielder at our club who's been consistent all season

people are expecting to much off him, he's still adjusting to L2 just like Drummond Hunter Stanley Curtis etc etc

Drummond, adjusting? He's been in League Two since 2004!

I can't see a problem with this thread. Otherwise, what is the point of a forum? It’s not disrespectful to have a discussion.

I think Michael Twiss has possibly been the greatest Morecambe player I've ever seen. Sadly, we haven't seen the best from him for a while. He had a brief revival when he got back into the team but it has, regrettably, fizzled out. There are number of reasons for this I feel:-

1. Natural loss of pace in aging. Previously, he’d need to beat one man with a burst of pace and his skill would do the rest. He can’t beat that first man regularly enough anymore, in my view.
2. Personal issues which, in this case, would be disrespectful to expand upon.
3. Loss of confidence in ability. I can’t remember the last time I saw him have a go from outside the box, which used to be his forte.

Also, I feel that, in the prime of his career, Twissy was woefully mismanaged by Sammy. 2004/2005, Twissy’s debut season, he was played as an out and out striker and produced 27 goals. When Sammy replaced Jim in November 2005, he only seldom deployed Twissy as a striker and Twissy’s versatility, I think, went against him, as he was used repeatedly as a wide player or in the hole. Even considering this, the number of goals he scored was impressive. I think it could have been much more if Sammy had better valued him. That’s not really relevant to the discussion, however; just something I’ve thought for a while.

Thats pretty much what I'm getting at.

Yes he has talent. For me, Twissy has the best shot in the side and possibly one of the best in the league (if not the best!) The last time he shot from outside the area as far as I'm aware was v Bradford. His first attempt from distance in months (afaik) and it was a great attempt. 30 yards and just over the bar. I just sat there and thought if he tried that again, he'd probably get it in. I can only assume that he doesn't have the confidence to try that all the time.

[George Dawes]

The Fury wrote

Drummond, adjusting? He's been in League Two since 2004!

so get rid of him aswell? just because he's 30+ and as the off games every so often

[The Fury]

The Fury wrote

Drummond, adjusting? He's been in League Two since 2004!

so get rid of him aswell? just because he's 30+ and the off games every so often

Heavens, no. Drummond, I think, after a slow spell finding his stride after joining us last January (he has a habit of starting slowly at clubs), he's been an absolute revelation. His height guarantees around 10 goals per season from set-pieces and crosses and his ability to play a decent through ball is rivalled by no-one at the club. After he left us the first time we never adequately replaced him and, although, like Twissy, he isn't the player he was, I reckon he has a vital role still to play. I was merely pointing out that after five years' experience of the League I don't think anyone can anyone still be deemed as 'adjusting'.

For the record, I'm undecided re retaining Twissy. I was just highlighting what I felt had happened to him as player.

[Posh]

Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleLjX56CYs

and then if you think that's good watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxEyPHqphKg

Twissy is a Morecambe legend and is up there with an exalted few like Brian Healey who have that something special that makes them class. He might have slowed down, he might have been wasted out wide and he might not have the same level of confidence but he was nominated as League 2 Player of the Month as recently as this February. He's got another year on his contract, I hope he works on fitness over the summer and then gets a go up front in pre-season with our new boy, Ronaljordanachio, and back to oozing Twissy class.

If not, loan deal to Ramsbottom United - not far from Bury.

[james456]

Just to clear things up, I think we should keep Twiss. He is not playing like a true flair player anymore - scoring great goals and taking men on but he is still making a good contribution to the side with his link up play.