Who do we want?

[RapidShrimp]

Feel like it deserves its own thread.

[RapidShrimp]

Got to be realistic. As much as we did get Derek from a league above, it’s unlikely we’d be able to afford the likes of Lee Johnson and co.

Pete Wild at Halifax is an option. Michael Flynn was snapped up just a matter of days ago by Walsall which is a huge shame.

[marky No.1]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sourc ... nson-exit/

[Bristol Shrimp]

Derek

[redrobo]

He knows the club....he knows some of the players and staff....he knows the problems of the training ground....he didn't walk out on the club until he had fulfilled his brief to his credit....he's available and will want to get back into the game ASAP.....it all fits in my opinion even if it is a short term contract with an option to stay on irrespective of what league we are in.

He would need a number 2 to work alongside so maybe even a return for JMc who I understand was very popular with the playing staff

Wouldn't surprise me if there is a familiar face in the crowd at Rotherham tonight......looking closely at the lads and their potential.....

[fulwoodshrimp]

Yes, Derek would be a sound appointment. Give him a good incentive to keep us up and he would organise us to be hard to beat unlike the departing manager!

[BerlinWaller]

Derek.

[P/T Indie]

Are Dundee still looking for a manger? Just wondering if Derek would take that job instead.

[redrobo]

Are Dundee still looking for a manger? Just wondering if Derek would take that job instead.

Mark McGhee was appointed 5 days ago.

[Wild Bill]

Coleman would be an excellent long term fit but highly unlikely he'd leave Accy mid-season. Adams as a short term fix. Otherwise take a chance on an upcoming manager from League 2 or even the Conference or a recently retired ex-Prem player hungry for experience.

[Little Shrimp]

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but I'm not sure if DA would be a good fit at the moment.

The squad has been moulded and trained in a very different style to him. The question that has to be asked is - can DA successfully marry his style with this squad over a very short timescale in a way that will get results? Taking the emotion of him being our promotion winning manager out of it - I'm not entirely convinced that'd be possible. There are only 14 games left. That's not meant as a pop at DA - just thinking about what'd be feasible.

It's a very tough situation we have been left in. I would be surprised to see a DA return, but I wouldn't rule it out completely and trust in the board's judgement.

[vvm]

Derek would be my choice but he didn't exactly hit the ground running when he first joined us. It took him some time to implement his ideas and tactics which is time I'm not sure he'd have this time around.

He would be inheriting a much stronger team this time around though with a number of players he is familiar with. If he could implement his ideas quickly and get us playing some ugly football that grinds out results then he could be our best chance of staying up.

[jbc.shrimp]

Admittedly I know nothing about manager pedigree, but the next manager for me has to be.
Out of work, and looking to get back immediately.
Experience of having been in a relegation scrap previously.
Able to stamp his authority on a changing room.
Able to manage scrappy football, not hoofball. Doesn't work at Maz, too windy. A lot has been mentioned about J. Cole and Adams on sentimental grounds. Forget the sentiment, now's the time to grind this out.

[RedRedWine]

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but I'm not sure if DA would be a good fit at the moment.

The squad has been moulded and trained in a very different style to him. The question that has to be asked is - can DA successfully marry his style with this squad over a very short timescale in a way that will get results? Taking the emotion of him being our promotion winning manager out of it - I'm not entirely convinced that'd be possible. There are only 14 games left. That's not meant as a pop at DA - just thinking about what'd be feasible.

It's a very tough situation we have been left in. I would be surprised to see a DA return, but I wouldn't rule it out completely and trust in the board's judgement.

I'm sorry - but this is largely superficial nonsense. Its easy to typecast managers, and pigeonhole people into categories. Ultimately Derek managed the resources he had available at the time in order to give himself the best chance to be successful - and he did that very successfully.... something he's also managed to achieve during most of his managerial appointments to date. The clubs resources have changed now, had they been the same at the time I am unsure if he would have had the same approach - and neither are you. As a result you should not discount a proven manager based on some spurious ideology.

What we do know about Derek, like any manager worth his salt (including Robbo who eventually went more defensive when we were getting dicked on the road playing an expansive game with limited CB and terrible goalkeepers for the level), is that he would come in and set the team up the best way he sees fit in order to get results. Style has nothing to do with it at this stage - its all about results.

For me Derek already knows the club, and most of the senior pros here - be that from his time here previously (Phillips, Toums, Gibbo, Wildig, Cole, Cooney) or his time in Scotland. For this reason alone given the timeframe, assuming he would be interested, he has to be considered - at least in the short term.

[red shrimp]

Derek Adams for sure.

[Little Shrimp]

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but I'm not sure if DA would be a good fit at the moment.

The squad has been moulded and trained in a very different style to him. The question that has to be asked is - can DA successfully marry his style with this squad over a very short timescale in a way that will get results? Taking the emotion of him being our promotion winning manager out of it - I'm not entirely convinced that'd be possible. There are only 14 games left. That's not meant as a pop at DA - just thinking about what'd be feasible.

It's a very tough situation we have been left in. I would be surprised to see a DA return, but I wouldn't rule it out completely and trust in the board's judgement.

I'm sorry - but this is largely superficial nonsense. Its easy to typecast managers, and pigeonhole people into categories. Ultimately Derek managed the resources he had available at the time in order to give himself the best chance to be successful - and he did that very successfully.... something he's also managed to achieve during most of his managerial appointments to date. The clubs resources have changed now, had they been the same at the time I am unsure if he would have had the same approach - and neither are you. As a result you should not discount a proven manager based on some spurious ideology.

What we do know about Derek, like any manager worth his salt (including Robbo who eventually went more defensive when we were getting dicked on the road playing an expansive game with limited CB and terrible goalkeepers for the level), is that he would come in and set the team up the best way he sees fit in order to get results. Style has nothing to do with it at this stage - its all about results.

For me Derek already knows the club, and most of the senior pros here - be that from his time here previously (Phillips, Toums, Gibbo, Wildig, Cole, Cooney) or his time in Scotland. For this reason alone given the timeframe, assuming he would be interested, he has to be considered - at least in the short term.

Blimey, I've sent you off the deep end there

I don't think DA is beyond consideration, but the potential issues I've raised are very much valid. I kind of feel like you've taken this as me having a pop at DA's style of play - I'm not doing that all and tried to make that clear in my initial post. I think you also might be taking me saying 'style of play' as 'stylish play'. That's not the case - low possession/counter attack is one style of play, high possession etc like MK Dons is another. Having a team all singing off the same hymn sheet, for me, is generally what will help create success, regardless of what style/set-up/whatever you want to call it is being played.

What I'm saying is that they are two differing styles of play - one isn't necessarily better than the other. Getting players to play in a certain way takes time and coaching, and I'm not sure that what would likely quite a big change in style of play under DA over a short timescale would necessarily be the best way forward to get results. He wouldn't have a great deal of time to work with the players into getting them set up in the way he would want them to be in order to try and get results.

It's also worth pointing out (on a slight tangent) that we were quite leaky at the back under DA at times. We only started getting super tight towards the end of the season, when everyone had gelled a bit more and I think psychologically we really started to get even more of an edge over teams. And in terms of grinding out results under DA - yes we had low possession, but we generally weren't sneaking out tight defensive 1-0 wins. In terms of the numbers that matter like creating chances, we were absolutely blowing teams out of the water. And we got our deserved results for it!

The performances since January have been greatly improved and we have generally been creating more chances than other teams of late. For me, a continuation of this standard of performance is our best chance of getting results, rather than ripping up the playbook at this late stage in the season.

Ultimately, I could well be wrong and DA might be the man to get us out of this situation. But there are good reasons why I have reservations about it.

[BerlinWaller]

We can't keep playing this way of football with the players we have, simple as that. If it worked we wouldnt be where we are. We are in a dog fight and I would rather have Derek shithousing 3pts than trying to pass teams to death.

[BoroRedShrimp]

I am in agreement that Derek short term or long term looks the best option. Knows some of the squad that got us promotion. I would have liked to see Lee Johnson but it all boils down to money. Think he did a good job at Oldham keeping them in league one and Sunderland. The other would be Pete Wild worked on a tight budget at Halifax and made them a force. However experience is vital at this level and with Derek Adams out of work he looks a good option to get the six or seven wins we need to stay up hopefully.

[glagys]

Not the most attractive job going though is it ? club on the brink of relegation tough games ahead, need someone who wants the cut his teeth in the dogfight of a relegation scrap or a tried and trusted battling manager
Not sure who’d I’d like, I would give Derek a try if they want to go that route,
But I have faith in the board
Would like to see someone named and introduced at the game on Saturday

[Wild Bill]

Actually I think it's an attractive offer. We aren't cut adrift and have some good players. MFC currently get a decent and supportive crowd that will no doubt back whoever comes in.

Sure, we are a minnow at this level but come in and get five or six wins you will probably keep the team in the division and then have a real positive on your managerial CV.

[BerlinWaller]

Not the most attractive job going though is it ? club on the brink of relegation tough games ahead, need someone who wants the cut his teeth in the dogfight of a relegation scrap or a tried and trusted battling manager
Not sure who’d I’d like, I would give Derek a try if they want to go that route,
But I have faith in the board
Would like to see someone named and introduced at the game on Saturday

We had all this talk towards the end of Jims time at the club and it was wrong then and even more so now.

[Little Shrimp]

Actually I think it's an attractive offer. We aren't cut adrift and have some good players. MFC currently get a decent and supportive crowd that will no doubt back whoever comes in.

Sure, we are a minnow at this level but come in and get five or six wins you will probably keep the team in the division and then have a real positive on your managerial CV.

Good point - there are a few different ways of framing the situation.

We didn't expect to get anyone of the calibre of DA when he initially came in, and for a more recent example look at Gillingham getting Neil Harris. That's a fantastic appointment that I don't think anyone could have predicted.

[Keith]

After last night, I wouldn't be disappointed if Baz was given the job, even on a temporary basis. It may be better being set up how we were last night, than someone new coming in and trying to get us playing in a different style. I don't think we're too far away from it all clicking in to place. Neil Wainwright has been around the game & club for long enough. Let's see what they can do for a few games.

That said, if Derek walks back in, then great, he gets 100% support, as would anyone else. But if needs-be, we can take a bit of time and leave a caretaker manager in place, rather than rush in to a desperate appointment.

[redrobo]

Totally agree with Keith.

As much as it would be tempting to get someone in ASAP it could be much better to wait until the end of the season and get who we really want rather than rush and take someone already probably out of work.

It's a lot to ask Baz but he's MFC through and through and I'm sure he would accept the position.

[BerlinWaller]

Time is one thing we don't have. We need somebody in before Saturday, the games are ticking by and we need to get some wins on the board. There are also a few vacancies in the FL at the minute so we need to act swiftly.

I loved the way Baz said he would do anything for this club when asked about stepping up. A proper legend.