P/T Indie wrote:Tonight in Derek's interview last night again he was asked are the players you inherited good enough and he wouldn't answer speaks volumes.
Little Shrimp wrote:Not a fan of the term 'not good enough for x level' as it's too inflexible and misses lots of things. Look at what Tranmere fans said about Stockton, and what our fans said about Vadaine Oliver!
I think some of the Robinson signings that haven't worked out, there has been a decent logic to them. McDonald, for example, had a great season and then an average season in L2, and put up some decent dribbling numbers. Not worked out, but you've got to take some punts with our budget and I can get over signings like that.
The main issue I feel is that he hugely underestimated the impact of losing Lavelle. Given the timing of Lavelle's departure, it's hard to pinpoint exactly what he should have done different - I kind of feel he should have had a stronger back-up in place already given his departure was likely. Delaney/Wootton were reasonable options as back-up to AOC, but (taking out how good/bad they've been) just didn't have the right attributes (physical presence/aerial dominance) to replace Lavelle. Add that to keeper woes and the lack of a proper defensive midfielder in the squad and I think we have the root of our problem.
In fairness to Robinson he fixed this in Jan and we were playing miles better, but I think we were still suffering a bit psychologically/loss of momentum etc from Nov/Dec and also just a bit unlucky.
In terms of keeps and looking at players on one years/loans - Carson appeared to fancy a move back south of the border so we'd be in with a shot, which would be great. Smith seemed competent too. Leigh, but I'm not holding out too much hope there. Would like us to have a go at getting Phillips permanently. Bennett would be a good keep too as I think he's very much an Adams defender, and complements AOC well. Wildig and McLoughlin would be keeps for me as well (out of all those on one year).
vvm wrote:Agree with most of what has been said, the position we were in at the start of the season meant risks and punts needed to be taken. Some don't look so good in hindsight but I feel like the majority at the time seemed like good ideas.
Stolen this from the current squad thread to give people an idea of who's on the books and length of contracts etc...
Squad number / Player name / (Contract length) / Main position / Other positions / Age / Height / foot
12, A. Da Silva Mendes (1) / GK / 18 / 6'1" / right
30, T. Carson (loan) / GK / 33 / 6’1” / right
41, A. Smith / GK/ 29/ 6'4" / right
3, G. Leigh (1) / LB / LM,DM / 27 / 5’11” / left
22, L. Gibson (2) / LB / CB / 24 / 6'1" / left
26, C. Pye (pro deal) / LB / 17 / ?’?” / left
4, A. O'Connor (2) / CB / RB,DM / 29 / 6'0" / right
5, J. Bedeau (loan) / CB / 22 / 6’0” / left
15, R. Delaney (2) / CB / LB / 25 / 6'5" / left
16, J. Mensah (1) / CB / 21 / 6'0" / right
2, R. McLaughlin (1) / RB / LB, RW / 27 / 5’10” / right
21, R. Cooney (2) / RB / LB,RW / 21 / 5'10" / right
6, C. Jones (loan) / CM / DM / 20 / 5’11" / right
8, T. Diagouraga (1) / CM / DM / 34 / 6'2" / right
10, A. Wildig (1) / CM / AM,DM / 29 / 5'9" / right
18, A. Phillips (loan) / CM / DM,AM / 23 / 5’11” / right
19, S. McLoughlin (1) / CM / AM,DM,RM,RB / 24 / 5’8” / right
25, A. McCalmont (loan) / CM / DM,AM / 21 / 5’9” / right
7, W. McDonald (2) / LW / RW,AM / 24 / 5'9" / right
17, J. Ayunga (2) / RW/ LW,ST / 24 / 6’1” / right
23, F. Price (1) / AM / LW,RW,CF / 19 / 5'11" / left
24, A. Gnahoua (1) / LW / AM,RW,ST / 29 / 5’11” / left
9, C. Stockton (2) / ST / 27 / 6'1" / right
14, J. Obika (2) / ST / LW / 31 / 6’0” / right
28, C. Duffus (2) / ST / LW,RW / 26 / 6’2” / right
redrobo wrote:All the others on 2 year deals can go.
Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:All the others on 2 year deals can go.
Go where? Someone else has to want them, otherwise, we have to pay their contracts up.
P/T Indie wrote:Would people give derek a large budget and throw everything at getting back to league 1?
P/T Indie wrote:Would people give derek a large budget and throw everything at getting back to league 1?
BerlinWaller wrote:P/T Indie wrote:Would people give derek a large budget and throw everything at getting back to league 1?
We can't go back to just being happy to scrape by and we have to back Derek in the summer regardless of what league we are in.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:He made mistakes with the 2 goalkeepers we played before January and they cost us a lot of points.
Carson will return to his parent club and then probably also move on to St Mirren..
Keith wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:P/T Indie wrote:Would people give derek a large budget and throw everything at getting back to league 1?
We can't go back to just being happy to scrape by and we have to back Derek in the summer regardless of what league we are in.
'Backing Derek' & 'throwing everything at getting back to League One' are two different things.
Andy D wrote:Lets not forget what DA did with Jim Bentley's signings who people said weren't good enough for L2?
no reason why DA cant improved a lot of Robbo's signings .
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