redrobo wrote:...however not sure that the alternatives to a Tory Government would be that much better....
Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:...however not sure that the alternatives to a Tory Government would be that much better....
Other than a 'never liked Labour and can't bring myself to do so', why don't you think they wouldn't be a good alternative?
Keir Starmer is clearly a clever bloke (don't get to be Director of Public Prosecution without being intelligent). He comes from a working class background (mum was a nurse, dad a toolmaker). His leadership is 'left of centre', rather than far left, more Blair than Corbyn. Unlike the Tories, all their plans are costed and explained.
I also like Angela Raynor, who despite the way some elements of the national press try to portray her, is another intelligent, caring person. I particularly liked a story about her. She was being shadowed by a reporter. Once a week, after her team had lunch together, Raynor sneaked off for some 'private time'. The reporter found out that many years ago, before she was in politics, Rayner had signed up to a charity that befriended elderly people, who were socially isolated, so they had a regular 'telephone chat'. Despite her political position, Raynor kept this relationship going, with the weekly phone call. The old lady who she has been chatting to for years is a die-hard Tory, who has no idea that she's talking to the Deputy Leader of the Labour party. Apparently, after a public hustings & campaigning in Stockport, the lady said something like, "I saw that Angela Raynor woman in town, what an awful woman!" She still doesn't know that her friend is 'that awful woman' She was also a 'Samaritan' for many years, although she had to give that up. I can't imagine any of the senior Tories volunteering their time like that?
As for Eden, I'm much less confident now than a few months ago.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:His Dad owned the factory.
Keith wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:His Dad owned the factory.
As far as I can gather, his father was a toolmaker who eventually set up his own, 'sole-trader' company, where he continued to be a specialist toolmaker. I don't think he was ever a 'factory owner', in the sense of employing many/any people. Happy to be corrected if there is evidence to the contrary?
Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:...however not sure that the alternatives to a Tory Government would be that much better....
Other than a 'never liked Labour and can't bring myself to do so', why don't you think they wouldn't be a good alternative?
Keir Starmer is clearly a clever bloke (don't get to be Director of Public Prosecution without being intelligent). He comes from a working class background (mum was a nurse, dad a toolmaker). His leadership is 'left of centre', rather than far left, more Blair than Corbyn. Unlike the Tories, all their plans are costed and explained.
I also like Angela Raynor, who despite the way some elements of the national press try to portray her, is another intelligent, caring person. I particularly liked a story about her. She was being shadowed by a reporter. Once a week, after her team had lunch together, Raynor sneaked off for some 'private time'. The reporter found out that many years ago, before she was in politics, Rayner had signed up to a charity that befriended elderly people, who were socially isolated, so they had a regular 'telephone chat'. Despite her political position, Raynor kept this relationship going, with the weekly phone call. The old lady who she has been chatting to for years is a die-hard Tory, who has no idea that she's talking to the Deputy Leader of the Labour party. Apparently, after a public hustings & campaigning in Stockport, the lady said something like, "I saw that Angela Raynor woman in town, what an awful woman!" She still doesn't know that her friend is 'that awful woman' She was also a 'Samaritan' for many years, although she had to give that up. I can't imagine any of the senior Tories volunteering their time like that?
As for Eden, I'm much less confident now than a few months ago.
redrobo wrote:Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:...however not sure that the alternatives to a Tory Government would be that much better....
Other than a 'never liked Labour and can't bring myself to do so', why don't you think they wouldn't be a good alternative?
Keir Starmer is clearly a clever bloke (don't get to be Director of Public Prosecution without being intelligent). He comes from a working class background (mum was a nurse, dad a toolmaker). His leadership is 'left of centre', rather than far left, more Blair than Corbyn. Unlike the Tories, all their plans are costed and explained.
I also like Angela Raynor, who despite the way some elements of the national press try to portray her, is another intelligent, caring person. I particularly liked a story about her. She was being shadowed by a reporter. Once a week, after her team had lunch together, Raynor sneaked off for some 'private time'. The reporter found out that many years ago, before she was in politics, Rayner had signed up to a charity that befriended elderly people, who were socially isolated, so they had a regular 'telephone chat'. Despite her political position, Raynor kept this relationship going, with the weekly phone call. The old lady who she has been chatting to for years is a die-hard Tory, who has no idea that she's talking to the Deputy Leader of the Labour party. Apparently, after a public hustings & campaigning in Stockport, the lady said something like, "I saw that Angela Raynor woman in town, what an awful woman!" She still doesn't know that her friend is 'that awful woman' She was also a 'Samaritan' for many years, although she had to give that up. I can't imagine any of the senior Tories volunteering their time like that?
As for Eden, I'm much less confident now than a few months ago.
As if 'windfall taxes' are going to pay for everything AND if they tax a company's profits that leaves LESS for companies to invest in new technology etc.
Simply put I don't trust them nor do I like some of their MP's (Raynor in particular nor their Shadow Chancellor) just as you don't trust or like the current Government....but hey that's life and we can't change the system however corrupt it may be thanks to both the Blues and Reds at all levels of National and Local Government....
CityShrimp wrote:I find it bizarre that the same people who criticise Starmer for the slightest sign of privilege were happy to vote for Boris ‘man of the people’ Johnson, who is the absolute embodiment of elitism and privilege.
CityShrimp wrote:I find it bizarre that the same people who criticise Starmer for the slightest sign of privilege were happy to vote for Boris ‘man of the people’ Johnson, who is the absolute embodiment of elitism and privilege.
mrpotatohead wrote:Anyway , back to the eden project ....not happening in the near future, not a chance, in a new era of massive cuts and hardship it wouldn't make sense to splash out on a luxury item , as for "providing employment for 300 people " ..blah blah blah, most places in the local service and hospitality industries struggle to find staff since brexit.
Gone_Shrimping wrote:mrpotatohead wrote:Anyway , back to the eden project ....not happening in the near future, not a chance, in a new era of massive cuts and hardship it wouldn't make sense to splash out on a luxury item , as for "providing employment for 300 people " ..blah blah blah, most places in the local service and hospitality industries struggle to find staff since brexit.
Eden is more likely to happen now. The money has already been allocated to the Levelling up fund and Eden is probably the best case to have been put forward for money. Also it is regarded as being of educational value , (not "luxury") so you can imagine school parties making trips from all Lancashire and beyond.
You could change your business name to "Eden Antiques". It has a nice ring to it
redrobo wrote:Gone_Shrimping wrote:mrpotatohead wrote:Anyway , back to the eden project ....not happening in the near future, not a chance, in a new era of massive cuts and hardship it wouldn't make sense to splash out on a luxury item , as for "providing employment for 300 people " ..blah blah blah, most places in the local service and hospitality industries struggle to find staff since brexit.
Eden is more likely to happen now. The money has already been allocated to the Levelling up fund and Eden is probably the best case to have been put forward for money. Also it is regarded as being of educational value , (not "luxury") so you can imagine school parties making trips from all Lancashire and beyond.
You could change your business name to "Eden Antiques". It has a nice ring to it
I sure hope you are right but recent actions by this Government show that a U Turn cannot be ruled out.....
redrobo wrote:Simply put I don't trust them nor do I like some of their MP's (Raynor in particular nor their Shadow Chancellor) just as you don't trust or like the current Government...
Keith wrote:redrobo wrote:Simply put I don't trust them nor do I like some of their MP's (Raynor in particular nor their Shadow Chancellor) just as you don't trust or like the current Government...
But is there a reason for not trusting them? Things that they've done or said, that lead you to that conclusion? Or, is it simply 'gut feeling'?
The hydrocarbon companies are creaming in excess profits, that they are paying to shareholders. There is zero evidence that they have increased research & development of renewable energy due to the excess, unplanned for profit. Also, did anyone notice the price of fuel coming down when the VAT on fuel was reduced? Or did that simply add directly to profit?
My dislike of Johnson was because he was a known, proven liar. He lied throughout the 'Leave' campaign, he lied about 'COVID parties', he is still under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards for misleading Parliament. I dislike Truss because she believes in 'trickle down economics', something that has never worked. She believes if you make rich people, richer, they contribute more to society, when the evidence shows, they simply have a bigger bank account and she believes that making poor people poorer, incentivises them to work harder and longer. She's been. apart of the government for more than a decade and she has supported cuts to benefits etcetera throughout.
Wild Bill wrote:redrobo wrote:Keith wrote:Other than a 'never liked Labour and can't bring myself to do so', why don't you think they wouldn't be a good alternative?
Keir Starmer is clearly a clever bloke (don't get to be Director of Public Prosecution without being intelligent). He comes from a working class background (mum was a nurse, dad a toolmaker). His leadership is 'left of centre', rather than far left, more Blair than Corbyn. Unlike the Tories, all their plans are costed and explained.
I also like Angela Raynor, who despite the way some elements of the national press try to portray her, is another intelligent, caring person. I particularly liked a story about her. She was being shadowed by a reporter. Once a week, after her team had lunch together, Raynor sneaked off for some 'private time'. The reporter found out that many years ago, before she was in politics, Rayner had signed up to a charity that befriended elderly people, who were socially isolated, so they had a regular 'telephone chat'. Despite her political position, Raynor kept this relationship going, with the weekly phone call. The old lady who she has been chatting to for years is a die-hard Tory, who has no idea that she's talking to the Deputy Leader of the Labour party. Apparently, after a public hustings & campaigning in Stockport, the lady said something like, "I saw that Angela Raynor woman in town, what an awful woman!" She still doesn't know that her friend is 'that awful woman' She was also a 'Samaritan' for many years, although she had to give that up. I can't imagine any of the senior Tories volunteering their time like that?
As for Eden, I'm much less confident now than a few months ago.
As if 'windfall taxes' are going to pay for everything AND if they tax a company's profits that leaves LESS for companies to invest in new technology etc.
Simply put I don't trust them nor do I like some of their MP's (Raynor in particular nor their Shadow Chancellor) just as you don't trust or like the current Government....but hey that's life and we can't change the system however corrupt it may be thanks to both the Blues and Reds at all levels of National and Local Government....
With a windfall tax you are taxing unexpected profits. Shell's profits have doubled recently with rising energy prices, but its a very weak argument to say that you will reduce their investment if you tax their unexpected profits. There is obvious vested interest at play though currently, where oil and gas companies have given the Conservatives £1.5m since the last election and the current PM is a former employee of Shell.
If you are saying you don't trust or like a particular MP, you should have some justification for it. For example I didn't like Cameron and Osborne, as they cut the top rate of tax by 5p when they came to office and then introduced massive austerity that lead to the decline in public services. If you have no justification, then you need to consider what is making you distrust or dislike them. Really politics should be about policies, indicating what you value and think the priorities for spending should be.
marky No.1 wrote:How long ago in the distant past was the budget of £50M?
If you go by price rises in everything else including the building trade, that figure must be 50% higher by now
Freez wrote:We can but hope!!
As for Labour as usual borrowing, you do know Neil, that this current Conservative government have borrowed three times as much as every Labour government put together??
So dont spout nonsense unless it’s football
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