CityShrimp wrote:Then take into account the fact that it was in Evatt's interests to get the match abandoned/stopped...
Keith wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:The more I read and watch, I just feel we have been shithoused by Ian Evatt.
I think, because last night, I was concentrating on the allegation of racial abuse and the very real assaults by the thugs who follow Bolton, I'd not really thought about it, but if Evatt is telling the truth, then there will be clear, visible evidence of spitting. If this was indeed brought to the attention of the fourth official and stewards, then it is utterly disgusting, and I'm inclined to believe him about the racism too.
On the other hand, if there was no evidence of spitting shown to officials, then he's obviously lying, which calls in to question the rest of his allegations. I am confident that the Morecambe fans in the vicinity would have come forward if they had heard someone being racially abusive. Indeed, they may have done so. But if the only person to have heard this was Evatt himself, AND no evidence of spitting as he claims, then he, himself, needs to be investigated.
Keith wrote:"Det Insp Knowles said in August that the investigation had been "hampered to an extent with the availability of getting key statements".
I wonder who it was who refused to give a police statement? Hmm... Perhaps if the people who refused to give the statement to the police, were the same people who made the allegation, they should be charged with wasting police time? Perhaps 'Santa' should sue for slander?
CityShrimp wrote:Bolton fans will say that the ‘investigation being dropped’ proves nothing, but…
Why won’t Bolton comment? Perhaps they just don’t want to get into legal trouble but if your player had genuinely been racially abused, you wouldn’t just be content and have nothing to say about the investigation being dropped.
As Keith says, who are the people who couldn’t be bothered to make their statements afterwards? If it was Evatt and co then that is highly suspect. If your player was racially abused, why would you wait months and have to be chased up by the police before taking the necessary action to follow it up?
And… if the incident actually happened, I don’t believe it would be that hard to prove it. The accused person would have had a number of other Morecambe fans sat within basically a couple of metres - presumably none of them heard the remark (strange). Or is Evatt saying that numerous morecambe fans must have heard it but were all happy to brush it under the carpet?
It feels that in most cases, allegations of racism at football matches usually result in an outcome - culprits are caught and then punished/banned, regularly. Proving that an incident happened at a football match clearly isn’t usually super difficult.
Then take into account the fact that it was in Evatts interests to get the match abandoned/stopped and the fact that he is generally known to be an unpleasant guy… well, you can draw your own conclusion.
Keith wrote:CityShrimp wrote:Then take into account the fact that it was in Evatt's interests to get the match abandoned/stopped...
Losing 1-0, down to ten men and knackered, they were able to warm up, dry out and revive themselves, while Robinson appeared to have lost his head entirely. If Evatt and/or the player who made the accusation are indeed the ones who then refused to cooperate with the police, then the FA should investigate.
Wild Bill wrote:I think the Bolton argument that its their word against ours is pretty weak one.
Lets assume that the Bolton bench spoke as one to say they heard a racist comment. This wouldn't be difficult to coordinate after the manager took them into the dressing room for ten mins.
Then the police interviewed a number of Morecambe fans, players and officials around the dugout as well as the fourth official. None of them say anything that supports the Bolton bench's claim, so the case is dropped.
Sure, some Morecambe fans could have pretended they didn't hear anything, but to say everyone did to protect the club is pretty unlikely. The fourth official would have nothing to gain from this also and would have been very close.
Personally I would speak out even against our own fans and would expect the majority of our fans would do the same if interviewed by police.
thedoc wrote:Seems quite a tangled web to me that `Catte’ has spun on here to lean over backwards to try and justify the unjustifiable.
If a man like Evatt tells you as a substitute that you’ve heard a racist comment – even if you’re completely deaf – are you going to argue with him if he has the power to drop you from the squad altogether next time out – or even put you on the transfer list if you don’t go along with him?
Of course not – who would? This is how bullies of all sorts operate: “Do what I say – or else!”
Evatt lied about what happened last season at his place and accused our Derek of pushing one of his players when video evidence shows that he actually manhandled our manager and the King didn’t touch anybody at all.
One day, this default position to cheat and invent what might be politely called `variations on the truth’ will catch this gentleman out. Let’s hope it’s not too long before it happens.
Catte says ` bigger stretch'.
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