redrobo wrote:If the BoD had the courage that is needed then DA should be shown the door before the New Year game v Burton and appoint Baz as Caretaker manager until the end of the season.
Failing that then DA's contract is up for renewal come the end of the season and there is surely no way that we can contemplate giving him a further period in charge where his sterile and lack of attacking intent has resulted in our current position.
Even if there is a few pennies to fund some new blood in January my faith in him being able to provided that needed attacking threat is only wishful thinking.
I've done my utmost to support DA but the time has now come when i no longer have any faith in his abilities to get us out of the mire OUR club now finds itself.
The BoD need to act NOW if we have any hope of survival.....
CityShrimp wrote:I just can’t see this happening.
Could we even afford to pay off Derek if we wanted to? Whoever the manager is will have basically no funds to do any business in January, and with the club up for sale I don’t think the BoD will want to ‘rock the boat’.
I can understand why some want him to go but unless we have an outstanding replacement lined up who we are confident will save our season without signing any players in January then I don’t think sacking Derek would achieve anything at this moment in time.
I think we are ‘strapped in’ with Derek until the end of the season and we’ll just have to assess the managerial position then - whichever league we are in.
mrpotatohead wrote:Players are doing their best but they arent good enough, club cant afford to get rid of Derek etc.......
Hodgie1978 wrote:Honestly believe that a former goalkeeper with no budget can do a better job than a guy that has many promotions to his name and is a former Scottish manager of the year?
Some of our fans are deluded
BerlinWaller wrote:Beyond deluded mate, there is no word for it
Hodgie1978 wrote:Honestly believe that a former goalkeeper with no budget can do a better job than a guy that has many promotions to his name and is a former Scottish manager of the year?
Some of our fans are deluded
Keith wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Beyond deluded mate, there is no word for it
'Deluded' is thinking that playing six defenders will suddenly result in us winning enough games to stay up, when it has consistently failed so far. 'Deluded' is thinking that we 'played well' and deserved to win, with our one header on target, from one of our six defenders.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".
Delusional? Quite.
PS I'm not calling for Derek to go, or Baz to take over, but I really, REALLY want him to stop with the negativity and accept that we need to win games, before it is too late.
Little Shrimp wrote:Hodgie1978 wrote:Honestly believe that a former goalkeeper with no budget can do a better job than a guy that has many promotions to his name and is a former Scottish manager of the year?
Some of our fans are deluded
Yep!
I think there has been a bit of naivety in the reaction to yesterday. This notion that we need to 'just attack' or 'have a bit of a go' is a bit wide of the mark. We clearly were trying to win yesterday and had the better of the game up until about 60 minutes. And while we were poor from that point and I do think DA should have made changes sooner, do you really think that him and the team were thinking 'ah well let's just sit back now at 1-0 down and hit them on the break'? Of course not!
Vale brought on a more experienced midfielder for a younger more attacking one and they took control in the middle of the park. I think DA needed to react faster and more strongly to this, but it wasn't a wilful giving up on attacking intent.
On the whole 'six defenders' stuff, I have to say it's getting very frustrating to read. First off - lots of teams play with wing-backs, and it's not an inherently defensive system - especially with Love and Melbourne at wing-back. If anything, I have a problem with how it exposes Rawson at RCB. Also, Gibson was playing in midfield. We all know this, and we all know we lack a sound option in defensive midfield which is why Gibson has ended up being drafted in there. Would people have the same problem if Fane played there, even though Gibson offers much more threat on the ball?
Personally think we need a proper DM who can do that Songo'o role - it's worked well in the past. Pretty clear that DA doesn't trust Fane in that role anymore, despite a successful spell there last season. Perhaps it's because we've lost the experience of Wildig in midfield?
I think it would allow the likes of Weir, Shaw and Taylor to kick on a bit further up the pitch and contribute there. They're among the most talented young midfielders about in this division, but I don't think the balance is right in our midfield to make the most of their talents going forward.
redrobo wrote:CityShrimp wrote:I just can’t see this happening.
Could we even afford to pay off Derek if we wanted to? Whoever the manager is will have basically no funds to do any business in January, and with the club up for sale I don’t think the BoD will want to ‘rock the boat’.
I can understand why some want him to go but unless we have an outstanding replacement lined up who we are confident will save our season without signing any players in January then I don’t think sacking Derek would achieve anything at this moment in time.
I think we are ‘strapped in’ with Derek until the end of the season and we’ll just have to assess the managerial position then - whichever league we are in.
I respect your post but to sit back and labour on with negative football in the hope that DA will turn it around is for me totally unacceptable. He has 6 month of his contract to run which by doing nothing is accepting our fate and after only 2 league wins all season is abysmal surely an indication of what we can expect for the rest of what has been a season of dire unattractive, negative football with relegation for the first time in our proud history looming over OUR club like the darkest of dark clouds.
Baz is the obvious choice until the season end when our BoD will be able to determine who we need to take over whichever league we are in without making a rush appointment at the moment.
DA has a proven track record but he lives and dies by his results.....enough is enough.
BerlinWaller wrote:Keith wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Beyond deluded mate, there is no word for it
'Deluded' is thinking that playing six defenders will suddenly result in us winning enough games to stay up, when it has consistently failed so far. 'Deluded' is thinking that we 'played well' and deserved to win, with our one header on target, from one of our six defenders.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".
Delusional? Quite.
PS I'm not calling for Derek to go, or Baz to take over, but I really, REALLY want him to stop with the negativity and accept that we need to win games, before it is too late.
You were the biggest fan of League 2 relegation football year in and year out so I am not going to take any notice of the guff you have just typed out. I sometimes think you are a parody account.
BerlinWaller wrote:You were the biggest fan of League 2 relegation football year in and year out
Little Shrimp wrote:We clearly were trying to win yesterday and had the better of the game up until about 60 minutes. And while we were poor from that point and I do think DA should have made changes sooner, do you really think that him and the team were thinking 'ah well let's just sit back now at 1-0 down and hit them on the break'? Of course not!
Little Shrimp wrote:On the whole 'six defenders' stuff, I have to say it's getting very frustrating to read. First off - lots of teams play with wing-backs, and it's not an inherently defensive system - especially with Love and Melbourne at wing-back. If anything, I have a problem with how it exposes Rawson at RCB. Also, Gibson was playing in midfield. We all know this, and we all know we lack a sound option in defensive midfield which is why Gibson has ended up being drafted in there. Would people have the same problem if Fane played there, even though Gibson offers much more threat on the ball?
Personally think we need a proper DM who can do that Songo'o role - it's worked well in the past. Pretty clear that DA doesn't trust Fane in that role anymore, despite a successful spell there last season. Perhaps it's because we've lost the experience of Wildig in midfield?
I think it would allow the likes of Weir, Shaw and Taylor to kick on a bit further up the pitch and contribute there. They're among the most talented young midfielders about in this division, but I don't think the balance is right in our midfield to make the most of their talents going forward.
Keith wrote:I don't think we were better in the first sixty minutes. I think we saw two very poor sides, neither creating anything of substance, other than us hitting the post and them scoring on the break. We had a higher percentage of possession, but most of it was in our own half. The half-time stats said zero attempts on target for us.
Keith wrote:But, if as you say, we don't have the players to successfully use that system, then why persist with it? It hasn't worked all season. The proof of that pudding is us being bottom with just two wins. If we haven't got the players, then change the system to utilise the players that we have. You can add Mayor to the list of talent, so let's unleash them. Phillips is quality, but needs better supply. Plus, we have pace too. If we have players who can run at defences, set up, further up the pitch, it forces a response from the opposition. Bringing Connolly on in the 92nd minute was ridiculous.
Port Vale were rubbish, but they beat us.
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