A Statement from The Board

Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby thedoc » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:17 pm

fulwoodshrimp wrote:What on earth is Whittingham playing at? He clearly wants to make a killing from selling the club but his absurd valuation is putting off serious interest and attracting nonsense offers like he received from Johal.His business acumen is awful- he destroyed Worcester Rugby Club and if he continues to neglect the shrimps he will destroy us. Is now the time for protests? A March from the Mazuma to the town hall to deliver a letter to the m.p. would be a start. We cannot let Whittingham destroy our club. WHITTINGHAM OUT!


Absolutely right - and as he has been saying for months, we should have done this ages ago. We need to organise this a a collective. Any ideas about how to do so?
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Keith » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:17 pm

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I will not be renewing my season ticket next year on this basis whilst a sale remains unconcluded, regardless of whatever league we are in.


I hope you are in the minority, as this will only harm the club and make zero difference to Bond Group. We need fans putting money in to the club now, more than ever.

I think that Whittingham being taken in completely by the charlatan drinks producing teenager, who had no drinks or millions, has left him believing the inflated value of the club, that was never realistic, so now he won't consider genuine offers. Eventually, he may come to realise the club isn't worth a fortune and decide to sell for a realistic amount? Sooner rather than later, hopefully.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby thedoc » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:24 pm

fulwoodshrimp wrote:I have messaged the Trust to request an emergency meeting to discuss what actions we can take to support the board in the light of their statement. We must act before it’s too late. COYS


Well - good luck with that. The Shrimps Trust have made it abundantly clear to me a) that they don't give a damn and b) it's none of our business as mere fans - they are the experts and they always know best. You need to remember that they rejected this idea out of hand at May's meeting at the Exchange when you originally suggested it. Nothing has changed. We need to organise this protest ourselves - if the Trust choose to belatedly support it - excellent - if they don't, we need to do it anyway.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby thedoc » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:44 pm

The full statement from our Board can be read here:

https://shrimplythebestfootball.com/202 ... peaks-out/
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Billy bodger » Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:18 pm

Jason owes millions, I’ve heard 6M to tax man, well he’s just putting that on his valuation of the Club, making it an unattractive proposition for anyone wanting to buy a club. Not going to be sold any time soon as a result, those who have shown an interest are not going to pay what he is asking, again
I’ve heard 20M. Totally Unrealistic if that is right.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby redrobo » Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:37 pm

Billy bodger wrote:Jason owes millions, I’ve heard 6M to tax man, well he’s just putting that on his valuation of the Club, making it an unattractive proposition for anyone wanting to buy a club. Not going to be sold any time soon as a result, those who have shown an interest are not going to pay what he is asking, again
I’ve heard 20M. Totally Unrealistic if that is right.


....and where do you get that info from.... :?: :?: :?:

IF you are correct and he's put a value of £20m on OUR club then no wonder any sale has not progressed.

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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby deadorred70 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:18 pm

I'M not sure a march to the town hall would acheive much . we need some national couverage of our clubs situation,a bit drastic but we may need to consider the tennis ball protest, some thing needs to be done this is not the time for half measures :twisted:
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Andy D » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:25 pm

i’m quite concerned reading the statement, id of thought with Graham and Rod it still would of been a case of keep your Friend’s close and your Enemy's even closer, worrying time’s after reading that.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Keith » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:29 pm

thedoc wrote:Well - good luck with that. The Shrimps Trust have made it abundantly clear to me a) that they don't give a damn and b) it's none of our business as mere fans - they are the experts and they always know best. You need to remember that they rejected this idea out of hand at May's meeting at the Exchange when you originally suggested it. Nothing has changed. We need to organise this protest ourselves - if the Trust choose to belatedly support it - excellent - if they don't, we need to do it anyway.


I think that is particularly unfair. They most certainly do care, but have a difference of opinion. The Trust meeting had its flaws, which hopefully they've learned from.

As you know, I wanted us to raise awareness through a protest pre-season, and disagreed with The Trust. However, I now don't believe a protest is of any value. Whittingham won't care in the slightest, and now, The Board have made their position clear. Any protest would be damaging to them, not the owners. The Board declaring no-confidence in the owners and encouraging any potential owners to go directly to them, is a huge step, and they need our support.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 pm

redrobo wrote:
Billy bodger wrote:
....and where do you get that info from.... :?: :?: :?:

IF you are correct and he's put a value of £20m on OUR club then no wonder any sale has not progressed.

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Our local newspapee quoted the £20M rumour ages ago

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/new ... ur-3974492
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Andy D » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:36 pm

deadorred70 wrote:I'M not sure a march to the town hall would acheive much . we need some national couverage of our clubs situation,a bit drastic but we may need to consider the tennis ball protest, some thing needs to be done this is not the time for half measures :twisted:

maybe not just yet,

but if it was to get Morecambe media attention on the news, it might get a certain Tyson Fury jumping on the bandwagon fighting a worthy cause for the town.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:39 pm

Sky have reported they owe £2M to HMRC and a total of £30M to creditors

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... e-than-30m
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Keith » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:48 pm

marky No.1 wrote:Our local newspapee quoted the £20M rumour ages ago

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/new ... ur-3974492


Ex-TT & World Superbike rider, Jamie Whitam told a story where he urgently needed a part for his race bike. He phoned one dealer who said they were £80, but he didn't have any in stock, so he drove to Padgett's dealership and spoke to Clive Padgett. Clive went to get the part and told Jamie it would be £140. Jamie said 'but they are only £80 at [the other dealer]'. Clive asked "does he have one in stock?" "No" replied Jamie.

"Yeah, mine are only £80 when they're not in stock"...

The point being, if Sarbjot Johal 'valued' the club at £20 million, knowing he was never going to buy it, then Whittingham, like Whitam, needs to understand that the value of a fantasist and a realist are two completely different things.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:00 pm

Agreed Keith, that comparison happens to us all.

According to the Sky report, Jason claims that WW still owe him £2M :?
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby thedoc » Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:13 pm

Keith quoted my statement
Well - good luck with that. The Shrimps Trust have made it abundantly clear to me a) that they don't give a damn"

He added:
I think that is particularly unfair. They most certainly do care, but have a difference of opinion. The Trust meeting had its flaws, which hopefully they've learned from.

You have every right to disagree with what I have said Keith – everyone has. However, I think that if the Shrimps Trust actually did care, they would surely do something about the ownership situation. But what have they actually done? NOTHING WHATSOEVER. Actions speak far louder than words. So I invite all members of the Shrimps Trust to ask themselves: what initiatives have the leaders of this organisation taken as far as the ownership issue is concerned EVER? What communications have members received from them about this issue as it interminably dragged-on? The answer to both these questions is: NONE WHATSOVER.
Is this giving a damn? I don’t think so.
I’m also puzzled by your change of mind about the utility of demonstrations against Whittingham such as that suggested for months by Fulwood Shrimp. You say:
“However, I now don't believe a protest is of any value. Whittingham won't care in the slightest, and now, The Board have made their position clear. Any protest would be damaging to them, not the owners.”

I don’t follow the logic of this. Any protest would be about the owner – NOT ABOUT THE BOARD. He may not care in the slightest but I would argue that one of the reasons he thinks this is because we as a collective have sat on our hands and done absolutely nothing to show our displeasure with the situation at the club. He probably thinks we’re a load of disinterested, complacent morons who haven’t the wit to organise against him. In my view, we URGENTLY need to show that this is not true. Then we’ll see if he cares or not. But the one certain thing is that if we don’t support the Board and their statement of yesterday by some sort of collective action, his view won’t change.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby redrobo » Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:30 pm

I don't think a protest in Morecambe will have any positive out come BUT protest outside his home / offices is another matter entirely.... :o

We have to use all media channels we can to inform as many people / businesses just what a shark Jason is in the vague hope that he and The Bond Group are shamed into concluding a sale at a realistic price.

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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Old Man Kensey » Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:06 pm

A protest in Morecambe would raise zero awareness nationally. It might make the Lancaster Guardian. Not sure why people want to march to the Town Hall, that won't gain us anything and the MP definitely won't be there.

Banners inside the ground, in places that the TV cameras will pick up?

Some kind of in game protest that won't get the club in too much trouble maybe.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:43 pm

We would never forgive ourselves if our club folds because of the behaviour of Whittingham. It happened with Worcester Rugby Club and we are next in line! I am not obsessed with a protest march but we have to do something and at the moment no one is coming up with any suggestion that would attract publicity for our beleaguered club. We can't go down without a fight and we all have to do whatever we can to save our beloved club. We need everyone to put their thinking caps on and come up with some ideas to start pressurising Whittingham and making his life uncomfortable. We need to be led by the Trust to show solidarity and fight. COYS.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Billy bodger » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:11 pm

Maybe I should not put on things I have heard on here, if I cannot substantiate it, so apologies for that. Thou I have found out the Daily Mail had the 20M valuation figure in an article, so maybe that’s where that came from!!! If those I have upset can enlighten everyone what the true figures are it will be helpful. It is clear however intrested suiters have not taken their interest any further except Sarbjot Johal who couldn’t substantiate his effort in buying the club, so that went by the by. So Jason will want to make a profit and not want what he owes the tax man to eat into that profit and therefore over pricing the club. Hope the wordings better this time.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Billy bodger » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:00 pm

Keith wrote.
“The point being, if Sarbjot Johal 'valued' the club at £20 million, knowing he was never going to buy it, then Whittingham, like Whitam, needs to understand that the value of a fantasist and a realist are two completely different things.”

So what’s the realist’s valuation? Because the realists are walking away!!
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Keith » Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:43 pm

Billy bodger wrote:So what’s the realist’s valuation? Because the realists are walking away!!


The realists are walking away because they won't go anywhere near the fantasist's valuation.

thedoc wrote:However, I think that if the Shrimps Trust actually did care, they would surely do something about the ownership situation. But what have they actually done? NOTHING WHATSOEVER.


But what can they or we, do? We can't force Bond Group to sell for less than they believe the club is worth. If their valuation is far beyond what anyone else believes it to be, that's their position.

If I came to your house and said I wanted to buy it for £5,000 you'd tell me to sling my hook. If I then organised a 'protest' at your continued ownership, to 'force you to sell it to me for £5,000 you'd think I was barking mad and ignore me. We don't like Whittingham/Bond Group but in my opinion, now that The Board have made this statement, we need to be 100% behind them, the team & management. If The Board intimated that a protest would be of value (such as an off the record comment when they meet The Trust) then absolutely, let's do it, but at the moment, it could do more harm than good.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Wild Bill » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:04 am

In terms of raising awareness nationally I think some fans should start calling in 6-0-6 and other football phone ins. Maybe one for the Trust once they have spoken to the board and agreed an appropriate statement
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby marky No.1 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:21 am

Keith wrote:But what can they or we, do? We can't force Bond Group to sell for less than they believe the club is worth.


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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby Old Man Kensey » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:34 am

marky No.1 wrote:
Keith wrote:But what can they or we, do? We can't force Bond Group to sell for less than they believe the club is worth.


Sums it up in a nutshell


Spot on with the assessment. If we do a protest about the sale of the club, Jason will just turn round and say that he's trying. To the general public it would be a case of 'what are you moaning about then?'.

Not many people outside the Morecambe Fanbase are going to read pages of documents to understand the details involved.

Its an odd situation. If the Board are feeling powerless and their position is becoming untenable, God only knows what people expect from the Trust.
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Re: A Statement from The Board

Postby shrimpsontoast » Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:36 am

Beats me why people think that continuing to berate the owner (and I’d include any sort of fan protest in that) would be likely to bring us a favourable outcome. If he hadn’t clocked that the fans would like him to sell the club to a wealthy, benevolent owner, he almost certainly has now, per the board’s statement. Essentially fans on here appear to be advocating an appeal to his better nature i.e. sell the club to the “right” bidder (is there one?) for less than he thinks he can get for it because that is the right thing to do with a community asset like a football club. Do people really think that he is going to be feeling more inclined to do us a favour if fans turn up the heat in a way that seems guaranteed to be less than complimentary towards him? If we assume that in his private life he doesn’t move in circles of shrimps followers, the answer to that question seems pretty obvious to me. The other viable approach (I.e other than appealing to his better nature) is to collect offers and then go and sell one of them to him on the basis that it is in his best commercial interests to accept it. Clearly that approach is going to require some professional people to canvass some offers and then crunch some numbers and present them to him in a cohesive and persuasive manner. That appears to be the approach that the board are now contemplating and I can’t really see any obvious benefit in holding fan protests alongside that. People will no doubt say that protests generate publicity and that may help to attract bidders and there may be an element of truth in that, but in the meantime it would be negative publicity for the club. Do we think that clubs higher up the pyramid would be more or less likely to lend their players to a club that appears to be in turmoil? What about prospective signings themselves? Perhaps there will come a time when it is necessary to ratchet up the stakes, but in the meantime, maybe people should just trust the board to have a go with their new approach, safe in the knowledge that they clearly feel as anxious as we all do about the current situation. On the subject of loans to the club and the interest rates (which appear to be a particular beef that fans have with the owner), I think we can assume that (a) the board have taken loans because they believe that the club needs them and (b) they have been unable to secure equivalent funding at a more favourable rate from elsewhere. I’m not really following why people consider the granting of those loans by the owner to be so morally bankrupt.
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