What can we do?

Re: What can we do?

Postby Keith » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:46 pm

BerlinWaller wrote:Gary Neville, Lineker, Shearer, Richards, Ian Wright- just some of the names talking about Readings troubles. Amazing what a bit of action can stir up.


To be clear, are you calling for a pitch invasion, or would you condemn "a bit of action" like that?
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Re: What can we do?

Postby BerlinWaller » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:53 pm

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BerlinWaller wrote:Gary Neville, Lineker, Shearer, Richards, Ian Wright- just some of the names talking about Readings troubles. Amazing what a bit of action can stir up.


To be clear, are you calling for a pitch invasion, or would you condemn "a bit of action" like that?


What needs clearing up?

I don't condemn it at all. They released a fantastic statement after the incident explaining why they took the steps they took. Nobody was hurt and they left the pitch after the game was called off. They have done the marches, they have chucked the tennis balls and nobody took any notice. They took the steps that they felt were needed and suddenly the football world is talking about Reading and expressing concern at their plight. I am not sure what there is to condemn really, in fact I admire their passion for their club. We could learn a lot from the Reading fans.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Keith » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:59 pm

BerlinWaller wrote:
Keith wrote:
BerlinWaller wrote:Gary Neville, Lineker, Shearer, Richards, Ian Wright- just some of the names talking about Readings troubles. Amazing what a bit of action can stir up.


To be clear, are you calling for a pitch invasion, or would you condemn "a bit of action" like that?


What needs clearing up?


You said, "Gary Neville, Lineker, Shearer, Richards, Ian Wright- just some of the names talking about Readings troubles".

This is since the pitch invasion.

You then said, "Amazing what a bit of action can stir up".

I asked you to clarify, are you saying that a pitch invasion is a 'good thing' or not?

If you could clarify what part of the question you don't understand, I'll try to explain in simpler words.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby BerlinWaller » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:08 pm

A good thing Keith, I admire the fight that they are showing for their club.

I'll let the last paragraph slide Keith, it says more about you than I can be arsed to type.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Billy bodger » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:12 pm

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Keith wrote:
BerlinWaller wrote:Gary Neville, Lineker, Shearer, Richards, Ian Wright- just some of the names talking about Readings troubles. Amazing what a bit of action can stir up.


To be clear, are you calling for a pitch invasion, or would you condemn "a bit of action" like that?


What needs clearing up?

I don't condemn it at all. They released a fantastic statement after the incident explaining why they took the steps they took. Nobody was hurt and they left the pitch after the game was called off. They have done the marches, they have chucked the tennis balls and nobody took any notice. They took the steps that they felt were needed and suddenly the football world is talking about Reading and expressing concern at their plight. I am not sure what there is to condemn really, in fact I admire their passion for their club. We could learn a lot from the Reading fans.



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Re: What can we do?

Postby BerlinWaller » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:25 pm

I don't think I have called for a pitch invasion anywhere have i? I voiced my admiration for the Reading fans and for the way that their actions has produced results. They know it might come at a cost but were willing to risk that. I'm willing to put an English pound on it that the FA don't dock them any points. Did they dock Man Utd after the Super League protests?

Would they have got the EFL or is it LFA statement that they got today? Would the top pundits and radio stations be talking about them?

Lets hope Christies Child has a big bed sheet to write on and Keith can use his political know how to bring this to a swift conclusion for us.

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Re: What can we do?

Postby Billy bodger » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:27 pm

BerlinWaller wrote:I don't think I have called for a pitch invasion anywhere have i? I voiced my admiration for the Reading fans and for the way that their actions has produced results. They know it might come at a cost but were willing to risk that. I'm willing to put an English pound on it that the FA don't dock them any points. Did they dock Man Utd after the Super League protests?

Would they have got the EFL or is it LFA statement that they got today? Would the top pundits and radio stations be talking about them?

Lets hope Christies Child has a big bed sheet to write on and Keith can use his political know how to bring this to a swift conclusion for us.

https://twitter.com/LewisCoombes/status ... A_tiw&s=19

https://twitter.com/AndyPreston96/statu ... 1FZ_g&s=19


You are right you have not called for a pitch invasion, you have thou admired it on here in your posts and have quite clearly called for a march straight down Regent Road with Banners and Flares. Not quite getting up to Readings fans actions, but a call for action all the same. It is something thou you might be able to organise and get people to follow you, if you don’t try, as I think you are saying, how do you know what it can achieve.

As I have said the problems at Reading are different than ours so we may have to approach it differently or on two front! You on yours and others trying something else?

Just a thought how would the EFL & LFA treat a copy cat pitch invasion. That boat may now have sailed now would the get on JW’s back? Or would they sanction Morecambe FC.

Also in the news today is charges being brought against two premiere league teas for breaking the rules. Ok again different but an avenue to maybe pursue.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:22 am

After over 1300 posts it is clear shrimp fans are angry and frustrated at the way our beloved club is being treated and want action. The only uncertainty is what action. I feel we need to be organised to consider and implement action to try to highlight the way our club is being treated. There have been several suggestions about what we might do. Indeed my wife said last night "why don't you have face masks of Jason printed with a diagonal line across the face or a message like Get Out printed on it". At an arranged time in a game everyone could put on the Jason mask. Press and TV could be informed about it in advance. It's only one of many ideas and as I have said we do need organising to pool ideas and start taking some action.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Old Man Kensey » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:51 am

I still think the board should be giving us more information and updates.

They have asked us to back them and stick with them and then given us nothing in over a month.
This leads to threads like this and people making shots in the dark and assumptions that may or may not be right.

I understand that for legal reasons they can't give us all the details but a weekly overview would be good. Or an offer to help with some kind of protest that whilst making our point won't negatively impact the club.

The board have asked us to trust them, trust is a two way street, its has to be time for them to trust us to apply pressure in a constructive way.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Billy bodger » Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:03 am

A couple of other bloggers have asked when the last Morecambe FC AGM Meeting was. So I’ve just been on Morecambe FC ‘s web page and typed in ‘AGM Meeting’. The last announcement for a AGM Meeting seems to be 2018. Now it might be the page has not been updated, but that is poor.

If that indeed was the last AGM I think the a share holder/or some share holders should call for another. AGM pronto.

If someone on this platform knows of other AGM’s being held since 2018, it would be appreciated if you let us know on here please.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Seasider9601 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:19 am

I own a three figure sum in shares (no, not £1.87.....!!!) and I don't recall getting advised of an AGM for a good few years now?

Obviously we've had the Covid etc etc blah blah but even aside from that we used to get advised of the upcoming AGM and, if we weren't able to attend, we could request a copy of the accounts to be sent to us.

Nothing though in recent years at all sadly.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:30 am

Billy bodger wrote:A couple of other bloggers have asked when the last Morecambe FC AGM Meeting was. So I’ve just been on Morecambe FC ‘s web page and typed in ‘AGM Meeting’. The last announcement for a AGM Meeting seems to be 2018. Now it might be the page has not been updated, but that is poor.

If that indeed was the last AGM I think the a share holder/or some share holders should call for another. AGM pronto.

If someone on this platform knows of other AGM’s being held since 2018, it would be appreciated if you let us know on here please.


I am fairly sure that the 2018 AGM is the last one that the club has held. It doesn't write to all shareholders to invite them , a good number of shareholders on the confirmation statement are deceased or have moved house. They just have by law to publicise it and give the requisite notice of a meeting.

I attended the 2018 meeting which was shortly after the current owners purchased the club.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Seasider9601 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:11 am

Gone_Shrimping wrote: It doesn't write to all shareholders to invite them , a good number of shareholders on the confirmation statement are deceased or have moved house. They just have by law to publicise it and give the requisite notice of a meeting.



They used to do though, I got a letter every year.

Included in one of the letters was a request for me to send my email address to the club so I could be contacted that way for notifications about future years AGM's etc etc.

Not heard a thing since (and yes, I did type it correctly)
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Re: What can we do?

Postby Keith » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:31 am

BerlinWaller wrote:The action taken by the Reading fans yesterday has got them some really positive exposure today. Food for thought


BerlinWaller wrote:A good thing Keith, I admire the fight that they are showing for their club.


BerlinWaller wrote:I don't think I have called for a pitch invasion anywhere have i?


So you think direct action is a good thing, but you don't want us to take direct action.
Or, you think direct action is a good thing, but you don't want to put your head above the parapet, so you are trying to encourage others else to be the ones to get their hands dirty?

BerlinWaller wrote:Has there ever been a more disengaged fanbase than ours in a situation like this?


Well, you keep sniping from the sidelines, as is your way, knocking down everyone else's ideas, but not actually saying what you think we should do.

We're disengaged simply because we don't know how best to proceed. We have a board of directors who the vast majority of fans support & trust. I suspect that is an unusual situation to be in. Any action that fans take needs to be in support of the board, not a challenge to it. If we make their position untenable, then what? A pitch invasion (that Schrödinger's Football Fan admires & supports, but simultaneously, doesn't support) could have financial implications that tip us over the edge.

The Culture, Media & Sport Select Committee are taking evidence regarding Reading's case in Parliament today. It will be interesting to see what they say about the matter. I suspect this was in the diary before the pitch invasion. In an election year, I'd expect David Morris may suddenly discover where we are, if someone sends him a map. Or, other local candidates may want to jump on a band-waggon. That's where the publicity comes from.

The question is, what band-waggon?
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Re: What can we do?

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:33 am

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Re: What can we do?

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:27 am

Following the calls from Reading fans why don’t we assemble a delegation of shrimps fans who ask to meet the EFL to voice our disquiet about the club’s owner and his motives. We could publicise any such visit and it might attract greater publicity if we include the MP. We could also contact the Reading fans and coordinate action. I feel the trust would be best placed to assemble this delegation of shrimp fans.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:38 am

I have emailed the trust asking if they will assemble a delegation to meet with the EFL to discuss the ownership of our club and the owner's motives. I have also suggested we make contact with Reading fans to enlist their advice and to form a united front against rubbish owners.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby redrobo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:43 am

I want our Trust to make contact with their counter parts at Reading and join together to get the EFL to take some action rather than sit on the sidelines and threaten clubs with some kind of action that would threaten the future of both clubs.

Although we are the smaller of the two clubs their is greater power in two clubs rather than one acting alone. I feel that a joint action would put the EFL in the spotlight who it appears at the moment to sit back and wait for developments at both clubs.

Both ourselves and Reading want a sale to be concluded but it looks as though both owners have an agenda that threatens the future of the respective clubs.

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Re: What can we do?

Postby Keith » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:37 pm

fulwoodshrimp wrote:I have emailed the trust asking if they will assemble a delegation to meet with the EFL to discuss the ownership of our club and the owner's motives. I have also suggested we make contact with Reading fans to enlist their advice and to form a united front against rubbish owners.


Excellent idea. Hope the Trust make that move ASAP. I wonder how many more clubs are in a similar position?
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Re: What can we do?

Postby BerlinWaller » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:05 pm

The EFL Chairman agrees to meet the Reading fans.
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Re: What can we do?

Postby BerlinWaller » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:06 pm

Keith wrote:
BerlinWaller wrote:The action taken by the Reading fans yesterday has got them some really positive exposure today. Food for thought


BerlinWaller wrote:A good thing Keith, I admire the fight that they are showing for their club.


BerlinWaller wrote:I don't think I have called for a pitch invasion anywhere have i?


So you think direct action is a good thing, but you don't want us to take direct action.
Or, you think direct action is a good thing, but you don't want to put your head above the parapet, so you are trying to encourage others else to be the ones to get their hands dirty?

BerlinWaller wrote:Has there ever been a more disengaged fanbase than ours in a situation like this?


Well, you keep sniping from the sidelines, as is your way, knocking down everyone else's ideas, but not actually saying what you think we should do.

We're disengaged simply because we don't know how best to proceed. We have a board of directors who the vast majority of fans support & trust. I suspect that is an unusual situation to be in. Any action that fans take needs to be in support of the board, not a challenge to it. If we make their position untenable, then what? A pitch invasion (that Schrödinger's Football Fan admires & supports, but simultaneously, doesn't support) could have financial implications that tip us over the edge.

The Culture, Media & Sport Select Committee are taking evidence regarding Reading's case in Parliament today. It will be interesting to see what they say about the matter. I suspect this was in the diary before the pitch invasion. In an election year, I'd expect David Morris may suddenly discover where we are, if someone sends him a map. Or, other local candidates may want to jump on a band-waggon. That's where the publicity comes from.

The question is, what band-waggon?


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Re: What can we do?

Postby redrobo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:16 pm

BerlinWaller wrote:The EFL Chairman agrees to meet the Reading fans.


Now even more urgent that we seek a meeting with the Reading fans to discuss a joint representation....

Two clubs with owners who appear unable or not prepared to sell our clubs.

Long shot I know but maybe our Trust can make contact.

As has been suggested by all....we can't sit back and do nothing.

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Re: What can we do?

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:38 pm

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Re: What can we do?

Postby Old Man Kensey » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:46 pm

marky No.1 wrote:EFL can't make the owner sell

https://rdg.today/efl-chairman-we-dont- ... t-reading/


I didn't think they would be to be fair, as its not there business to sell.
We can just hope that our board remain open and honest with the EFL and they punish the owner and not the club, but at some point something has to give.

I don't think the EFL even has the power to collect the fines they have issued on the owner??
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Re: What can we do?

Postby marky No.1 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:58 pm

Indeed, if an owner is totally stubborn, ignores fines, turns the heating off, won't pay for food, won't pay the staff etc, there is nothing anyone can do, regardless of any protest, just seems quite happy to get continuous relegations till they go bust.

Reading even have a youngster who had it written into his contract that his wages would increase after 15 games - he reached 14 in November and has never played since :roll:

Our Club is different in that there are no assets to strip unless Carla left his wallet under the table
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