O/T - None Of The Above [NOTA]

[Dave (Barra)]

Don’t know, don’t care. But then I’m not a scared old man.

Have a lovely weekend!

Edit: nationally the figure is 6.5%…you lot will be taken over before Islam manages it across the UK

[Gone_Shrimping]

Don’t know, don’t care. But then I’m not a scared old man.

Have a lovely weekend!

Edit: nationally the figure is 6.5%…you lot will be taken over before Islam manages it across the UK

No you are just a stupid middle aged man.

I am sure BLS should be twinned with Tower Hamlets or Bradford

Have a lovely weekend.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

... we as white brits are going to be the minority as ..... the muslims are interested in big families 4-5 children whereas career minded brits may just opt for 1 or maybe 2 children ..... however you have to agree with his sentiment there was a lot of truth in it

After a Web search, this sentiment is known as "The Great Replacement Theory." It's a conspiracy theory popular amongst far-right, white supremacists in the Bible Belt of the USA. I'm surprised anyone's giving it a listening over here.

Let's just say your numbers are right, Dazza; Muslim British parents have 5 kids on average and other British parents have 2 kids on average. (That seems very far fetched to me but I will stand corrected if you can show me a creditable page to confirm it)

Gov.Uk's statistica page confirms Dave (Barra)'s percentage is right for the last census.

That means that kids, grand-kids, great-grand-kids born to originally Muslim great-great-great-patents would be 50% of the population in over 10 generations or more than 250 years time.

There's a lot can happen in 250 years and your best actions today Dazza would be to live an honourable and respectful life that demonstrates a better set of values that those great-grand kids can aspire to, so they put aside the teachings of a Bronze Age paedophile goat herder

[dazza]

My only point was this happened teaching In the uk. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... alues.html

[Zip It Shrimpy]

My only point was this happened teaching In the uk. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... alues.html

Ah, OK Dazza.

And which policy in their "Contract with the People" will sort that problem out?

Is there not a British Law already in force against that sort of misbehaviour by teachers?

[Wild Bill]

You need to see what has happened to London , Manchester , Bradford , Birmingham , Rochdale , Luton etc etc where Islam is taking over.

Some of my family lived in Bradford. Fabulous city for a night out at a curry restaurant, possibly some of the best food I've ever had. Admittedly Bradford has a large Pakistani population but neither I nor my family have ever been asked to convert to Islam.

I lived in the East Midlands a while back and found the local Hindu population very friendly. I don't think their religion want to convert others. Your either born a Hindu or you are not.

Our local area has always had a large Polish community since the late 1930s and they also kept their religion to themselves

With regard to grooming gangs there's paedophiles of all religions and nationalities, the biggest organisation being the Catholic Church (IMO)

My ex in-laws moved from Bradford to Morecambe due to how awful it was becoming and that was many years ago. If being swamped by Pakistani gangs is the price of a good curry then no thanks ! The Mayor of London permits the flying of Palestinian flags and allows them to demonstrate and desecrate war memorials without any arrests but cracks down when a peaceful demonstration by indigenous Londoners takes place. He takes no notice of Just Stop Oil demonstrators sitting in the road stopping traffic but tells the police to arrest anyone moving them out of the way sometimes so an ambulance can get through.

What's an indigenous Londoner? Haha

[Wild Bill]

In all seriousness, I find it baffling why immigration is such a big problem for so many in this election. Particularly in areas like North Lancashire where its still almost all white British. I find it even more baffling how low down on the debate the climate emergency is and how reluctant folk are to change their behaviours for the good of the environment. It won't be the Islamists that ruin our way of life, it will be mother nature reacting to us.

[Billy bodger]

It’s best to keep politics out of sport and this forum.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

Whether you want to send a protest message with a NONE OF THE ABOVE message

OR

Want to relegate the Tories to third place by tactical voting

Here's how to LEGALLY VOTE TWICE .....

Find someone who is registered to vote but planning not to vote and take them along with you.

[Keith]

Let's leave the racism out of the conversation. If you want to espouse Replacement Theory, or any other equally nonsense conspiracy, like 'vapour trails are the government spraying us to make it rain', then present verifiable facts to demonstrate your assertions.

[Keith]

My only point was this happened teaching In the uk. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... alues.html

Your point, according to you, is that lunatic teachers get sacked and banned from teaching.

In the year to March 2022, 108 teachers received life-time bans from teaching. A third of these were for sexual misconduct. Oddly, none of the male teachers named in the article as being banned from teaching for sexual misconduct, had Muslim sounding names?

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/teac ... ny-2062474

[dazza]

no my point according to me
is that i actually think the teacher had a valid point about british white couples only having one maybe 2 children as career focussed , and asian families are happy to have more children hence the ratio of asians may end up being higher than the the brits ,, nothing racist in what im saying i think he has a fair point

but thanks for telling me what i meant keith damn decent of you

[Keith]

no my point according to me
is that i actually think the teacher had a valid point about british white couples only having one maybe 2 children as career focussed , and asian families are happy to have more children hence the ratio of asians may end up being higher than the the brits ,, nothing racist in what im saying i think he has a fair point

but thanks for telling me what i meant keith damn decent of you

The point is, As Zip it Shrimp explained, 'Replacement Theory' is a racist trope, espoused by white supremacists. Mathematically, it doesn't add up. The teacher was wrong, and was sacked.

Returning to the subject, I think 'spoiled votes' are counted and can be found, but not always announced. It would be interesting to see if the percentage of spoiled votes increases.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Returning to the subject, I think 'spoiled votes' are counted and can be found, but not always announced. It would be interesting to see if the percentage of spoiled votes increases.

As the following link is .org.uk I've taken it to be a reliable source.....

https://votingcounts.org.uk/spoilt-ballot

The vast majority of us aren’t left or right, we’re centre, we want to live in peace. We want our rights to be respected, we want to earn a fair wage and we want to be able to enjoy life with our families. Let’s get our politicians to focus on those things. Let’s get them to tax corporations and the uber rich properly. And, regardless who’s in power, let’s not throw away everything we’ve learned in Europe over the past 100 years.

[Billy bodger]

According to the last census this area is 1.6% Islamic. Forgive me for not panicking about the fall of society as we know it.


David Morris out, inshallah.

Nationally 6.5 % of the population follow the Islamic faith in 2021, up from 4.9 % in 2011. Up 32.5% in 10yrs.

There will be areas with more and areas with less of a rise, it is what it is and nothing will change what’s happening, good or bad.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Nationally 6.5 % of the population follow the Islamic faith in 2021, up from 4.9 % in 2011. Up 32.5% in 10yrs.

Percentages mean very little without numbers to help back the percentages up.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

I want to return to the question of "None of The Above".

Two recent events have questioned whether we really have the best two candidates for PM

First the Joe Biden v Donald Trump debate. It was like watching CCTV in a Care Home.

Second, Marine LePen on the Ultra Right v whoever she will be up against on the Hard Left in France. OMG France could become ungovernable as two extremes will be all there is.

Labour foreign policy is going to be sharply tested by the new leaders of the "Free World".

I'm thinking that an uncharismatic Labour PM may not be that bad after all.

(I'm not a Labour voter or supporter BTW)

[Billy bodger]

Who ever gets in will have an uphill job to make our country prosperous once again. I doubt that will happen and expect nothing but further decline. Once an unforeseen event occurs nationally or worldwide all the expected economic pick up the new government expects to deliver, fails. Politics!! How have I been drawn into this.

OR THIS!!!
Scouseport Shimp the numbers in the 2021 census was 3.9 million followers of the Islamic faith up from 3.0 million. It still means nothing good or bad as I said before.

[Keith]

My genuine fear is five years time:

Labour sweeps in now, with a huge majority. But they have wed themselves to Tory spending commitments and further austerity. Without huge investment in capital projects, education & NHS, which would require tax or borrowing, and doing nothing for low income families, such as lifting the two child tax credits limit, the poorest people in society will still be neglected. (Roughly 50% of the families receiving tax credits are single parent and 50% have a parent in work. Frequently, people are in both, a single parent, with three or more children, who is working and still in poverty). Labour are relying upon 'trickle-down economics', which has never worked, anywhere. But, even if "grow the economy" worked, it will not happen quickly. The economy is in such a mess, it requires radical intervention. If not, it will be like turning an oil tanker.

Meanwhile, Tories have one of two lessons to learn. Either, their wipe out is because they surrendered the centre ground to Labour, and the 'One-Nation Conservatives' rebuild the party from the centre ground. Or, they'll conclude it was because they weren't far-right enough. I fear, it will be the latter.

There is also the possibility, if there is a large Labour majority, that the party begins to fracture. Too many MP's with too few jobs to do (not even enough Committees to sit on).

So, in five years time, Labour have changed things a little bit, but not much. Young voters in particular feel disaffected. A populist 'hard man' or 'hard woman' is swept to power, on a far-right, nationalist platform, and we follow France, Hungary, Turkey, and possibly by then, Netherlands and Poland down the rabbit-hole of electing on the basis of hate.

I genuinely hope that Labour are elected and then become radical and swiftly introducing change, because squandering the opportunity could be disastrous.

[Wild Bill]

I suspect it will be a return to New Labour or similar. Starmer has been very keen to sit on the fence on a lot of key topics, which is frustrating to left leaning voters, but vital to avoid alienating those that may swing them a majority.

Blair and Brown realised that the only way to change things is to win power and keep in power, so their first term they spent a lot of time courting business and providing a stable economy to build from. You still got a lot of good policies and investment in public services, but these were spread out over three terms and not just one.

I think the main priority this time will again be stability and sending the key message that the UK is open for investment. It isn't sexy and many of society's problems will remain but coming in for one term and being radical only opens up the door for the Tories to return again in five years.

[Keith]

I suspect it will be a return to New Labour or similar. Starmer has been very keen to sit on the fence on a lot of key topics, which is frustrating to left leaning voters, but vital to avoid alienating those that may swing them a majority.

Blair and Brown realised that the only way to change things is to win power and keep in power, so their first term they spent a lot of time courting business and providing a stable economy to build from. You still got a lot of good policies and investment in public services, but these were spread out over three terms and not just one.

I think the main priority this time will again be stability and sending the key message that the UK is open for investment. It isn't sexy and many of society's problems will remain but coming in for one term and being radical only opens up the door for the Tories to return again in five years.

But don't forget, Blair & Brown inherited a much improving economy. Starmer doesn't have that. Brown & Blair also borrowed for investment, both directly and indirectly, through PFI's (many of them very poor value for the country, but got hospitals & schools built). Starmer & Reeves don't have the improving economy that Major left. They've tied themselves to [failing] Tory spending commitments, which can only result in further public service cuts. They repeat "grow the economy" at every opportunity, sounding more like Truss & Kwartang at every turn, without any explanation of 'how?' ('cause Sunak, Truss, Johnson, May & Cameron never thought about doing that!) They've promissed a "better deal" to reduce the losses to the economy caused by Brexit, again, without saying 'how' or even why the EU will want to give them anything?

I think it is the 'do nothing' approach that will allow the Tories back in in five years. They potentially have a once in a lifetime majority to really make improvements in the country. I fear they will squander it.

[Wild Bill]

I think you only need to look at the support (both publicly and financially) Labour is receiving from business leaders to see see that investors are realising a stable Labour government is the best horse to back.

There will no doubt be some tweaks to the Brexit deal and a move towards better relations. Not enough to get back what we have lost, but at least a step in the right direction.

Green investment will be a big player but this will have to be tied in with a long term commitment to skills training. The same if we are to build more homes and reduce the cost of housing.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

My fear for an incoming Labour government is their so called "super majority" will be from less than 40% of all votes cast.

If they do get a big majority (not yet a done deal) the reason will be the rise of the minor parties; not just Farage but also the single issue pro Gaza lot and the Workers' / Trade Union / Socialist Corbinistas.

If Labour address the principle concerns of the minor parties they should have a chance of a second term.

They need to:
Spend more on public services with a campaign to explain why they've raised the spend
Lead the international response to genocide in Gaza
Sort out the asylum hotels fiasco. Get them processed and into jobs in the economy
Setup proper asylum channels to smash the small boat gangs
Privatise water as well as energy

If Labour can take away the oxygen from the minor parties they stand a chance in 5 years. The Conservative Party will still be fighting a far-right battle so may decline further (we hope)

My fear for the longer term is that First Past the Post almost always returns a Conservative government. Now is the time to push for electoral reform

[Billy bodger]

Any form of proportional representation will usually throw up governments without majority’s and the party with the most MP’s have to bring in other parties to hold the government up and often that alliance falters and fails. It doesn’t bode well for strong government. If on the other had a party gets a super majority takes 2 or three elections to get rid of them which is just as bad especially if they get stale with being in power to long.

What I take from this topic is that the % of people disenfranchised with politics is probably the highest it’s ever been.

What ever happens tomorrow as always it’s how you roll with what the government does, wether that’s a up hill struggle or a walk in the park.

[Phil Anderer]

I personally have always voted, bar the one time Leeds City Council changed the opening time of my local polling station too late for me to rearrange work commitments. That being said, until fairly recently, I have always voted tactically, because there was no party I wanted to vote for, therefore choosing the 'least worst' option among those who had a chance of winning. I totally understand why this time around people seem more disaffected by it all than ever, butI would just say that, if you don't vote at all, what right do you have to complain about what you get? Please, if you don't want to vote for who you think has a chance of winning, at least vote either for a smaller party (little choice for us) or spoil your ballot, as has been suggested. Please don't just stay at home, because the message to whoever is in government then is much weaker.