black morse wrote:As a recipient of Winter Fuel Allowance I have often thought that some of the payments are needed but there must be thousands like myself that will get on very nicely without it. Means testing would be the fairest way but would cost a lot in civil servants wages so the next best thing would be for those that need it to claim it.
Relapsed_Shrimp wrote:Means testing is the only way. Pensioners seem to believe they are all entitled to things just because they've lived a certain length of time.
Bold move from labour, will be a few more so they don't have to raise income tax (like they said they would but then said they wouldn't to look good in the latter stages of debate pre election) to try and stay popular.
Pensioners are far too protected. We should be looking at the opposite age bracket to ensure we educate, nurture and look after those people to make sure they won't be reliant on payments to turn on the heating when they are older.
Scouseport_Shrimp wrote:And please don't tell me that Junior Doctors don't receive a good salary and NHS benefits to boot.
Billy bodger wrote:Free Prescriptions next!!!
Keith wrote:Scouseport_Shrimp wrote:And please don't tell me that Junior Doctors don't receive a good salary and NHS benefits to boot.
Junior Doctors' starting salary is £32,398 ('FY1' on 2016 contracts) for 40 hour week. That's £15.58 per hour. Not bad for six years training.
Lidl starting rate (including 16-year-olds) £12.40 per hour (£13.65 in London).
Not sure what "benefits" you think the NHS offers Junior Doctors? Not even free car parking. But at Lidl, staff get a 10% staff discount.
That's why the NHS is in such a mess. You Tories believe a Junior Doctor is worth £77.20 a week more than a 16-year-old working on a till in a supermarket.
https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contract ... in-england
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/pay/how-pay ... 12.article
Billy bodger wrote:Scouceport Shrimp, the only issue is, was the lady entitled to the bus pass and if she was then that’s ok.
Catte wrote:Wow relapsed Shrimp is that really your opinion?
Pensioners in general the most taxed generation in history at the moment, they are often left literally out in the cold. Most have worked their entire lives contributing to the economy, many have due to lack of support had to be carers for their partners many women have had their retirement age moved upwards and losing out on their pension entitlement. Female pensioners who have cared for their partners (saving the NHS thousands of pounds in doing so) now find themselves approaching a period of an every lengthening cold stretch where they will need to choose between heating or eating. Yes pampered.
This and previous Government see them as a burden and sitting on housing stock.
I am not a pensioner and have made sacrifices to ensure should I become one I will not need to rely on this ludicrous state pension.
Millions will now miss out on the allowance by perhaps pennies because of the way this lady has taken a simplistic view on where to snatch back money so they can help their mates.
This will cost the NHS at least as much as it saves, with oldies queueing for a bed that does not hit due to extreme cold or lack of nutrition, but yes we pamper those who have contributed.
Scouseport_Shrimp wrote:Hey Relapsed Shrimp.....I suppose something had to be done to finance the Junior Doctors massive pay rise. Well, it won't be long before the same Junior Doctors will be treating lots of pensioners who can't afford to keep themselves warm in the long UK Winter.
And please don't tell me that Junior Doctors don't receive a good salary and NHS benefits to boot.
redrobo wrote:Relapsed_Shrimp wrote:Means testing is the only way. Pensioners seem to believe they are all entitled to things just because they've lived a certain length of time.
Bold move from labour, will be a few more so they don't have to raise income tax (like they said they would but then said they wouldn't to look good in the latter stages of debate pre election) to try and stay popular.
Pensioners are far too protected. We should be looking at the opposite age bracket to ensure we educate, nurture and look after those people to make sure they won't be reliant on payments to turn on the heating when they are older.
Maybe when you are pensionable age (assuming that by then a pension from the State is still available) you'll have a different view of things rather than the utter nonsense you spout at the moment
Pensioners get a very bad raw deal. We can't strike..... the cold weather affects us more than others....social care is almost non existent....costs for care home living is extortionate....and for many loneliness after the death of a partner is a real killer.
The removal of the cold weather payment is a cheap and cynical way to reduce government spending by this Iron Lady of a Chancellor who is devoid of any character or emotion.....a Thatcher Mark 2 without doubt.....
What with her and the Deputy Leader who will impose restrictions and diktats on society we are very close to being governed by a dictatorship where the right of free speech is predicted to be censored.
Billy bodger wrote:Why doubt it? I don’t understand your rhetoric!! If they take away the Concessionary Bus Pass for pensioners they take it away, end of.
Other Concessionary fares in Lancashire are for Blind people, profound or servilely Deaf people, People with out speech, Learning Disabilities, Walking Disability ,Loss of use of both arms, People who have been or would be refused a driving licence.
All these categories I would argue are people who need Concessionary Bus Passes. If she qualified under one of these categories you and I don’t know but would have been vetted, so why speculate.
Scouseport_Shrimp wrote:Obviously she was entitled, as I'm sure her application, which someone had probably written on her behalf, was all in order. My point is that if Liebour attack Concessionary Bus Passes, will the lady in question be
hit......I doubt it.
Keith wrote:Scouseport_Shrimp wrote:Obviously she was entitled, as I'm sure her application, which someone had probably written on her behalf, was all in order. My point is that if Liebour attack Concessionary Bus Passes, will the lady in question be
hit......I doubt it.
You are not even attempting to hide your racism. Sure, Labour are going to stop white, English people from having a bus pass, but leave Indian women, who can't speak English, with them. Did you enjoy your riot?
Meanwhile, Southport's Katie Hopkins thinks it is okay to pay NHS doctors the same as Lidl shop workers, because they will make more money later in their career. I answered the question you asked, and provided links to evidence my claims.
I'll leave you to your hatred now. Just don't over-step the mark, you are right on it now.
Billy bodger wrote:In the end neither Scouseport Shrimp and Gone Shrimping, know how the lady qualified, no more than me, but you cannot in all seriousness believe not having a grasp of the English language should bar her from having a Concessionary Bus Pass. It says a lot more about you two and your mind set than it does about the lady.
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