fulwoodshrimp wrote:I am puzzled little shrimp thinks the current system is working well. We are bottom of the league and if things don’t change quickly we will be adrift at the bottom of the EFL. The present team does not have enough goals in it and continuing to organise like we have been playing will lead to disaster. Dackers is not good enough to play as a striker and midfield lacks a bit of quality.If we don’t change the organisation of the team and if we don’t strengthen the squad we will be relegated.
fulwoodshrimp wrote:I am puzzled little shrimp thinks the current system is working well. We are bottom of the league and if things don’t change quickly we will be adrift at the bottom of the EFL. The present team does not have enough goals in it and continuing to organise like we have been playing will lead to disaster. Dackers is not good enough to play as a striker and midfield lacks a bit of quality.If we don’t change the organisation of the team and if we don’t strengthen the squad we will be relegated.
Billy bodger wrote:Not against having two up front, but it is going against DW’s system that he likes to operate with.
Maybe if Angol had not got injured that partnership may have worked and he would have kept with it, who knows? Hopefully Angol is back in the New Year and DW has more options.
It’s about options and DW cannot fancy any other formation than to try and keep games tight and that hopefully we come out on top. As aw know it’s failing, but if DW can get that string of results over the next six games to get us in a position were we are not cast adrift we I believe have a great chance of staying in this league, for me the overall standard is as poor has it’s been for several seasons. It’s a massive call for DW, does he stick or does he gamble and tweak the formation?
The BoD’s have to give DW all the money they can for the January transfer window, you can bet other teams are. Jason has to let the Club make the decision on what to do with the money the team has won in Cup competitions, but he seems to have no conscious on what happens unless it’s money into his pocket.
(I personally believe we would not have got relegated if he had not taken all that money the years we were in League one).
Bringing in another striker is a must, if it’s Cole I’m not against that, he knows the system and overall I think he would be welcomed back for a swan song to his career.
A couple of young eager lads on par with last years bunch DW brought to the club at the start of last season
for me would mean we would climb that league with no bother from what I have seen so far.
Unfortunately we have just fallen short but it would not take much to change that if we get recruitment right in January.
redrobo wrote:He is not one for changing and is stubborn in his beliefs. Unfortunately that stubbornness to even contemplate a change up front could cost us out league place.
nobbyshrimp wrote:If the BOD give DW the money then that’s the final straw for me, I’m out, done, gone for good. Why give Wigan our money (DW stadium but rebranded in May), please give it to Derek Adams instead
Little Shrimp wrote:You've kind of missed the point in the first sentence. Put Brown up front in a two with Dackers - and you've then changed the whole team/system which is generally working very well.
...You're asking Derek to change a system/formation which is generally operating well ...
Saying 'just put two up top' is, as it always tends to be, a complete over-simplification of the situation.
KenH wrote:redrobo wrote:He is not one for changing and is stubborn in his beliefs. Unfortunately that stubbornness to even contemplate a change up front could cost us out league place.
We're back to Brown again, I assume? As I can't think of any other "change up front" that is feasible with the squad we have who are fit.
As we keep seeing whenever we change the style of play, under any manager, we start to leak goals if we play too aggressively with more attacking style of players. Under Derek, we generally play more defensively to try not to concede too many goals.
That's a perfectly valid tactic. It was absolutely the right thing to do at the start of this season as the defence, as a block, had never played together before nor played with the midfielders either. So we needed the midfield and attacking players to track back and protect the defence.
From what I've seen of Brown, he's not particularly good at tracking back, tackling, nor defending. Derek wants someone who can "help" out during free kicks and corners against us. That's not apparent with Brown. If you think back, when we had Stockton, he was always a big presence on the goal line. Brown simply can't do that. I've said it before, but during the Summer friendlies, Brown missed a couple of easy goals when he was literally stood right in front of goal and only needed a simple tap in - he wasn't following the game and wasn't anticipating the ball coming to him, so wasn't ready and appeared surprised at seeing it at his feet! I trust Derek, and if he's seeing things he doesn't like during training, then he's right not to play him. It's not even all about goal scoring, it's about his "helping out" in other areas of the pitch. No point in him scoring two goals in a game, if his lack of contribution at corners and free kicks means we end up conceding 3!
Keith wrote:I'll accept your first & last points, but we have a very different opinion of 'working well'. Not only has Dackers not scored, he even managed to miss the target from 2 yards out! No point keeping it reasonably tight at the back, and keep losing 1-0.
No doubt Derek will stick to what has been "working well" or "failing" depending upon your point of view. We've a few games against other sides that are struggling. If we start picking up points, then all will be well, but keep firing blanks and we'll be cut adrift by Christmas.
Little Shrimp wrote:I don't know how you can watch that performance against Port Vale and not think 'this is generally working well'.
If we play like that against teams who aren't the league leaders, we'll do ok. Our fixture list hasn't been too kind so far, but we've now got a run of nine fixtures until mid January that only sees us play one top half side in Grimsby. I'd argue Tom White has been the main huge boost in recent weeks - don't think it's a coincidence we've got our first two wins since he's been back in the side.
Don't get so hung up on who might be scoring the goals.
Keith wrote:But, we still didn't score.
Keith wrote:I am positive, genuinely. But, when we played Accrington, who were also struggling, we were awful. We need to play well AND find those goals.
Keith wrote:If we start winning games, I won't care if Dackers doesn't score for the rest of the season. But at the moment, we've far more chance of a defender scoring, than a centre forward.
black morse wrote:The question I have got for all those who think two up front is the answer is....who are you going to drop to fit the extra man in? Do you take a defender or a midfield player out? Much as we may like to we cannot play with 12 men.
Little Shrimp wrote:Keith wrote:I'll accept your first & last points, but we have a very different opinion of 'working well'. Not only has Dackers not scored, he even managed to miss the target from 2 yards out! No point keeping it reasonably tight at the back, and keep losing 1-0.
No doubt Derek will stick to what has been "working well" or "failing" depending upon your point of view. We've a few games against other sides that are struggling. If we start picking up points, then all will be well, but keep firing blanks and we'll be cut adrift by Christmas.
…If we play like that against teams who aren't the league leaders, we'll do ok.
CityShrimp wrote:We always say that though.
We put in a good shift against the good teams but come up short, then a week later we play against a dross side and play miserably.
Maybe I’m just being negative and it will click soon but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to change things when you’re nearly at December and are bottom of the league.
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